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Fischer vs. Kasparov

  • #541

      For someone who knows his chess history you're wrong quite a bit. Because the USCF couldn't afford to send two seconds, Bisguier was officially Fischer's second and only Fischer's second. There was an informal agreement that Bisguier would help Benko too. Fischer, like the ass he was, refused to allow Benko to use Bisguier and even tried to get Benko thrown out of the tournament for trying.

    And yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting, that Fischer would have needed persuading by someone (most likely Bisguier) to visit Tal (a man Fischer had previously hated enough to wish physical harm on him).

    As for Fischer being the only player to visit, it's worth considering where exactly that claim originated from. The earliest source I can find is Frank Brady. What in the hell does Frank Brady know about the movements of all the other players at Curacao?

    Oh, and one more thing.... [Moderated – watch your language]

  • #542
    You asked Arctor whether you need to prove to him that the Earth isn't flat.
  • #543

    The way some of these quotes are stacking up now:

  • #544

    Whats is little known is that Fischer and Kasparov are the same person.

    Have you ever seen them in the same room together? How do you think kasparov was able to beat Karpov and others?  This also explains why Kasparov

    and Fischer never met over the board and why Fischer was too busy in

    his late years to be sane.   Kasparov's retirement also corresponds very closely

    to Fischer's death. And they both favor the Najdorf.  It also explains

    why Carlsen and Nakamura have been so secretive about their work with

    Kasparov.

  • #545

    The one bit of evidence that might've served to disprove your theory has since been determined to have been a hoax!:

  • #546

    Furthermore this also explains Kasparov's quasi-Jewish roots and

    his psychological breakdown versus Deep Blue. Kasparov's interest

    in politics also parallels Fischer but is much less extreme.

  • #547
    beardogjones wrote:

    Whats is little known is that Fischer and Kasparov are the same person.

    Have you ever seen them in the same room together? How do you think kasparov was able to beat Karpov and others?  This also explains why Kasparov

    and Fischer never met over the board and why Fischer was too busy in

    his late years to be sane.   Kasparov's retirement also corresponds very closely

    to Fischer's death. And they both favor the Najdorf.  It also explains

    why Carlsen and Nakamura have been so secretive about their work with

    Kasparov.


     dont be silly. It is widely accepted that Fischer was Capablanca reincarnated while Capablance ( real name John Whitehead) was the reincarnation of a certain P Morphy.  Just check their birth / death dates 

  • #548
    Arctor wrote:

      For someone who knows his chess history you're wrong quite a bit. Because the USCF couldn't afford to send two seconds, Bisguier was officially Fischer's second and only Fischer's second. There was an informal agreement that Bisguier would help Benko too. Fischer, like the ass he was, refused to allow Benko to use Bisguier and even tried to get Benko thrown out of the tournament for trying.

    And yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting, that Fischer would have needed persuading by someone (most likely Bisguier) to visit Tal (a man Fischer had previously hated enough to wish physical harm on him).

    As for Fischer being the only player to visit, it's worth considering where exactly that claim originated from. The earliest source I can find is Frank Brady. What in the hell does Frank Brady know about the movements of all the other players at Curacao?

    Oh, and one more thing.... [Moderated – watch your language]


     p-127 Pal Benko---my life, my games, my compositions.

     

     "I started well in Cura􀃶ao, so every game had great significance for me. In the

     

    fifth round, I adjourned against Petrosian with excellent winning chances. Naturally,I hunted Fischer and Bisguier down and asked them to help me analyze the position. Why wouldn't I? Bobby was my friend and we always analyzed together at tournaments, while Bisguier was hired for this very purpose ! However, when Bobby realized that I intended to make use of "his" second, he said, "I forbid it! " I was outraged. "How can you forbid this? It's in the agreement. " It turns out that Kasper talked to both of us separately. Apparently, he didn't tell Fischer that we had to share Bisguier.

      

    In fact, when I discussed this with Bobby sometime later, he told me that he would never have accepted such a deal. During our face-off, though, I was sure Bobby knew what was going on. Unfortunately, in the heat of the moment, with both of us convinced that we were in the right, things got ugly. Bobby got insulting and upset, I got more and more angry, Bobby goaded me, and bang, I hit him.

    Looking back on this mix-up, I'm ashamed of the whole affair. In fact, I became so guilt-ridden for punching someone I genuinely cared about that I could never play well against him again."

     Fischer tried to get Benko out of the tournament for punching him.  I think you are wrong about the way Bobby felt about Tal. I think he liked Tal. Do you honestly believe someone could persuade Fischer to visit someone in the hospital that Bobby hated???  Are you for real Arctor??? 

     

  • #549

    Wow!  Thanks for that submission Raul.

    I'm curious about the punch.  Where did the blow land?  Was there blood?  What did Fischer do after he got punched?

  • #550
    bigpoison wrote:

    Wow!  Thanks for that submission Raul.

    I'm curious about the punch.  Where did the blow land?  Was there blood?  What did Fischer do after he got punched?


     What did Fischer do after Benko bitch-slapped him---

    a. Scream like a bitch.

    b. curl up in a fetal position on the bed.

    c. piss his pants.

    d. grabbed the phone and called his mom.

    I want to thank everyone for the many card and letter---the winner is in for a treat so keep your answers pouring in.

  • #551

    when it comes to knowledge , theory and consistency in positional as well as tactical games kasparov is best no doubt but it  is not enough to surpass bobby ficsher coz he is a chess genius who is beyond calculations ..... that is why all his move and tactics becomes a lesson for existing and generations to follow......i believe that even kasparov must have learned a lot from ficshers game, coz lot of peoples play chess but  very few people make this game surprising and interesting with their wisdom.....fischer is one among them

  • #552

    They are so hard to compare. Fischer emerged at a time when there was not much serious chess in the U.S.  He was really self made, and more or less invented  the modern chess professional.  He took preparation and study, in an era when there were no computers to help him, to a new level.  And for the run up to his championship match he was as dominant a player as probably anyone since Morphy or Capablanca.

    Unfortunately he went totally nuts, stopped competing, and when not in hiding became a ranting anti-semite, a holocaust denier, a pro-nazi hate monger, and general despicable human being.  Although he may (may?) have been too mentally ill to help it, I find very little redeemable about his later life. 

    Kasparav on the other hand was the dominant player in the world for something like 20 years, and also has managed to have a productive life since his retirement from fully focusing on chess.  He has been a policial activist, a coach, a speaker and writer, and generally transitioned into "citizen of the world" much better than Fischer ever did.

    Who was better in absolute strength?  Short of buidling a time machine its impossible to say, but my gut says Kasparov, if for no other reason than he lived in the era of computer training and was building on the accomplishments of Fischers generation.  In terms of overall life accomplishments, I think Kasparov is the clear winner as well.

  • #553

    Bobby Fischer: he excelled in all aspects of the game

  • #554
    quequeg wrote:

    while Capablanca (real name John Whitehead)


     

    Actually it's "Joseph Ralf Whitehead"...

  • #555
    Sofademon wrote:

    They are so hard to compare. 


    Then why are they always being compared here? Wink

  • #556
    iChess8 wrote:

    Bobby Fischer: he excelled in all aspects of the game


    Except showing up to play.

  • #557

    If Fischer had access to all the computers now he would beat Kasparov because you would know that he would study 24/7  to do so.

  • #558
    PawnPusher4 wrote:

    i always wonderd about this question, but since kasparov is the most resent one he is probably more up to date with tactics and straergy 


     But like I said - Fischer would study to become more up-to-date and would have the edge over Kasparov.

  • #559
    uhohspaghettio wrote:
    theproffesor wrote:
    PawnPusher4 wrote:

    i always wonderd about this question, but since kasparov is the most resent one he is probably more up to date with tactics and straergy 


     But like I said - Fischer would study to become more up-to-date and would have the edge over Kasparov.


    But Fischer didn't like to study so much, before he died he said it was bad enough back when he was doing it and "now it's a joke". If you listen to what Fischer is saying, he is telling you that the reason he quit when he did is mainly because of the rapidly expanding opening theory that he had no interest in keeping up with anymore (on a world class level). That's why he invented Fischer Random.    


     That's the older Fischer who had lost interest in chess- when he was younger he would have prepared more than anyone.

  • #560
    shcherbak wrote:

    Have not Spassky coached K&K? 
    Tal refers to Spassky (and Botvinnik) as to god of arena, same do Kasparov. Further, both authors abhor Fisher (as person) and make strong critics on his games.


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