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Fischer vs. Kasparov

  • #841

    Hate to burst your bubble, but Fischer's U.S. passport wasn't revoked until 2003 and it was Fischer who renounced his U.S. citizenship - not the other way around, according to Wikipedia.

    Fischer got in trouble with the U.S. by playing the Spassky rematch in Yugoslavia in violation of U.N. (not U.S.) sanctions, though the sanctions were obviously supported by the U.S. Fischer could have made millions by playing somewhere else but chose not to. The reason he never returned to the U.S. is he faced a fine/jail time by playing the match in Yugoslavia.

    Fischer's citizenship, according to Wikipedia, was never revoked by the U.S. As recently as the early 2000s, Fischer said HE wanted to revoke his citizenship.

    I realize all this doesn't mesh with your America-bashing agenda, netzach. Better luck next time lol

  • #842

    fischer

  • #843

    Fischer did lose his citizenship, and that was his choice. Also, don't believe everything you read on wikipedia, anyone can post something as fact on it. Also I truly believe that Kasparov would win the match.

  • #844

    When Fischer became a citizen of the country he moved to, I forget what the name of that country was, he renounced his US citizenship, and was no longer a US citizen. We didn't want him here anyway after the way he spoke about americans, and jewish people as a whole, which I find ironic being that he was Jewish. He was severely mentally ill, and the world is better off without him. Rest in agony bobby fischer

  • #845

    if he was American & America claim him as their son he should remain American for life whatever the politics involved are. 

    I wasn't '' bashing-america lol '' as you would put it. I am highlighting what many see as poor treatment of him by his country...

    Almost all of what you cite in justification happened after he was ill & alienated from America so partly caused by that.

  • #846

    As an american, when you declare allegiance to another country, unless you are a dual citizen of 2 countries, you lose your us citizenship. He also ran away from charges that he faced in the states. I also believe that he was a spy, and was actually a double agent giving away american intelligence to foreign powers. but that is just opinion. He was treated poorly after his even worse treatment of a nation that prized him, and would have done anything for him. Good riddance

  • #847
    mikey2677 wrote:

    As an american, when you declare allegiance to another country, unless you are a dual citizen of 2 countries, you lose your us citizenship. He also ran away from charges that he faced in the states. I also believe that he was a spy, and was actually a double agent giving away american intelligence to foreign powers. but that is just opinion. He was treated poorly after his even worse treatment of a nation that prized him, and would have done anything for him. Good riddance

    Well he was America's responsibility. Why wash your hands of him ?

    You didn't do the same with OJ or Ben Johnson ??

    & Fischer WAS ill...

  • #848

    Oj is still a us citizen until this day. I did not write the constitution and the rules of us citizenship. he was no longer a citizen of this country, and if he came back he would have been put in prison. I am not here to argue about this or that, as a chess player he was great, as a human, i wouldn't have wasted my spit on his face. The world as a whole is better off without him, although chess may not be.

  • #849

    Yes, Fischer lost his citizenship by his choice after accepting Icelandic citizenship.

    And the reasons Fischer's passport was revoked (the Spassky rematch in Yugoslavia in violation of U.N. sanctions) has been well-documented elsewhere.

    I actually erroneously thought that Fischer's citizenship had been revoked by the U.S., but that was Fischer's choice, which made sense given the fine and jail time he faced if he returned to the U.S.

    The main point is Fischer didn't have to play that match in Yugoslavia. He could have made a ton of money playing it anywhere because so many people wanted to see him play again after his 20-year absence from chess.

    It's also documented that Fischer's reaction to the U.S. Treasury Department's letter urging him not to play the match was to spit on it and tear it up, an unnecessarily provocative act.

    The U.S. didn't prevent Fischer from playing chess from 1972 to 1992. That was Fischet's choice. Just as it was his choice to finally play again in a country with U.N. sanctions against it.

    To read netzach's posts, you'd think Fischer was a helpless victim of the U.S. government. But netzach's agenda isn't really Fischer. Anyone who reads his posts with an objective eye can see he's simply using Fischer to bash a country he doesn't like

  • #850
    mikey2677 wrote:

    Oj is still a us citizen until this day. I did not write the constitution and the rules of us citizenship. he was no longer a citizen of this country, and if he came back he would have been put in prison. I am not here to argue about this or that, as a chess player he was great, as a human, i wouldn't have wasted my spit on his face. The world as a whole is better off without him, although chess may not be.

    He was America's only World Chess Champion & should be remembered for that. Not all the extraneous stuff.

  • #851

    How exactly did America treat Bobby Fischer poorly, netzach?

  • #852

    What did America do to Fischer that was so terrible, netzach?

  • #853

    Thank you chesspool, Fischer destroyed his own life. He had every oppurtunity for greatness and he threw it all away. He was born a jew, and an american, and in the end stated how much he hated them both. Well he died alone, and in a foreign place, without any of the glory his life could have had. Its a sad story, but an important one. Don't piss away the gifts you are blessed with.

  • #854

    I also would like to know how America treated him poorly, our entire country was enraptured with him. He was a superstar, and was a national hero.

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  • #856

    Ah, the sound of crickets chirping lol

  • #857
    chesspooljuly13 wrote:

    Yes, Fischer lost his citizenship by his choice after accepting Icelandic citizenship.

     

    And the reasons Fischer's passport was revoked (the Spassky rematch in Yugoslavia in violation of U.N. sanctions) has been well-documented elsewhere.

     

    I actually erroneously thought that Fischer's citizenship had been revoked by the U.S., but that was Fischer's choice, which made sense given the fine and jail time he faced if he returned to the U.S.

     

    The main point is Fischer didn't have to play that match in Yugoslavia. He could have made a ton of money playing it anywhere because so many people wanted to see him play again after his 20-year absence from chess.

     

    It's also documented that Fischer's reaction to the U.S. Treasury Department's letter urging him not to play the match was to spit on it and tear it up, an unnecessarily provocative act.

     

    The U.S. didn't prevent Fischer from playing chess from 1972 to 1992. That was Fischet's choice. Just as it was his choice to finally play again in a country with U.N. sanctions against it.

     

    To read netzach's posts, you'd think Fischer was a helpless victim of the U.S. government. But netzach's agenda isn't really Fischer. Anyone who reads his posts with an objective eye can see he's simply using Fischer to bash a country he doesn't like

    Fischer was American though correct ?

    Then American he should have remained.

  • #858

    We told him not to play at that tournament because their were embargo's against that country for a war that was underway. he thumbed his nose at us, and did it anyway. i would have faced prison time if I did the same thing. He hated his home country, and we hated him in the end too!!!

  • #859

    He could have remained American. All he had to do was be a man and come home and face punishment.

  • #860

    I'm still waiting to hear netzach cite what America did that was so terrible to Fischer.

    If facing a fine and jail time by deliberately violating U.N. sanctions is all he's got - the same penalty any other American would face - he's got nothing

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