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KingKonan

For anyone who has been following the 'meteoric rise' of the suspected cheater Ivanov, it was announced earlier he has been suspended by the Bulgarian Chess Fed for four months.

http://chess-news.ru/en/node/12151

macer75

So basically this is "guilty until proven innocent"?

335394862

bird is the word

Trapper4
InoYamanaka wrote:

coolest name ever

 

 lol raging idiot up here ^

good ole forums eh?

 

true still funny tho

Got anything else to say?

waffllemaster
macer75 wrote:

So basically this is "guilty until proven innocent"?

Basically this is "I know nothing about this topic."

InfiniteFlash

This guy was obviously cheating. 

The problem is getting concrete evidence.

Fear_ItseIf

i want to know how he does it though. They should let him play and just observe him super closely.

gaereagdag

Borislav Ivanov. He fights against the system with a power-packed Rybka and Houdini punch. He has eye-stinging oils that he wipes onto his gloves to blind the other fighter. He is a mean fighting machine.

Is he Apollo Creed? Is he Rocky Balboa? Maybe he's this killing machine:

gaereagdag

The FBI should kidnap Borislav Ivanov, take him to a laboratory and force him to demonstrate his advanced cheating technology. I am sure that there is much to be learnt from him that will benefit human progress. Then wire his brain up and release him as a chess playing super soldier.

Alec89
KingKonan wrote:

For anyone who has been following the 'meteoric rise' of the suspected cheater Ivanov, it was announced earlier he has been suspended by the Bulgarian Chess Fed for four months.

Slap on the wrist compared to the Indian player who stiched the blue tooth device in his cap he got 10 years for his treachory.

macer75
Randomemory wrote:

This guy was obviously cheating. 

The problem is getting concrete evidence.

If you're gonna say he was cheating, you need to be able to say exactly how he cheated. Otherwise it's just an assumption.

macer75
FirebrandX wrote:
macer75 wrote:

So basically this is "guilty until proven innocent"?

No, this is "guilty by preponderance of evidence". You screwed up sociopaths need to look up the difference. DO NOT defend a cheater, lest ye be labled a corrupt moron as rightly you should.

You can label me anything you like, I don't care

Knightly_News

SocialPanda
macer75 wrote:
Randomemory wrote:

This guy was obviously cheating. 

The problem is getting concrete evidence.

If you're gonna say he was cheating, you need to be able to say exactly how he cheated. Otherwise it's just an assumption.

>97% of coincidence with Houdini in good tournaments.

In bad tournaments he plays below 2000 level.

How he cheated?

He cheated by using Houdini moves.

The exact mechanism? I don´t know.

paK0666

Mh this is quite problematic all in all.

 

In this special case it might be ok, since his leaps in playing strength probably tip the favour in banning him, but a ban without non-implied evidence might come to hurt the whole chess scene in the future, stuff like that always makes for bad press.

waffllemaster
paK0666 wrote:

Mh this is quite problematic all in all.

 

In this special case it might be ok, since his leaps in playing strength probably tip the favour in banning him, but a ban without non-implied evidence might come to hurt the whole chess scene in the future, stuff like that always makes for bad press.

I disagree.  It's much worse press to let him keep playing... precisely because the evidence against him is strong.

wcrimi

I don't think this is a just decision.  If you suspect a player is cheating you should have to prove it before barring him. If you can't prove it, but the circumtantial evidence is extremely strong (as it apparently is in this case) , I think the proper course of action is to change the rules to ensure no one can cheat.  

Perhaps that means going as far as having players being patted down, scanned to ensure no devices are implanted under their skin, in their mouth etc...

There is plenty of technology designed to catch terrorists that could handle this. 

If he's unwilling to submit to that, that's fine. It would be like an admission. He's free to refuse (as would anyone else be).  But barring before proof is clearly wrong and I'm suprised some people don't understand that. 



 

MJ4H
FlintLockwood wrote:

He is just a victim of jealous old farts that refuse to believe anybody can reach anything quickly ,makes them look stupid .Muck like Kung-Fu Panda reached inner peace way before Master Sifu . How the heck can they accuse him without evidence and then claim it's 'obvious' that he cheats?

beg pardon

MJ4H

Plenty of it.

billyblatt

Those handheld wand body scanners cost like forty bucks on ebay...But given the tournament  he participated in last the prize money was only $200, it is easier to just kick him out, than go through all the trouble of actually trying to collect evidence. 

And that Count Ivanov is not helping himself either, with his erratic play.

I wonder if he just managed to analyse the games of the GMs he was going to play against with houdini, and then won. Since their games are readily available.

And in lesser tournaments, where the players are unknowns he didn't prepare so well.

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