Fritz 16

CoffeeAnd420
kenardi wrote:

https://database.chessbase.com/

Fritz 16 database only 1 million games?

From the chessbase website:

Stay moile with Fritz 16: With a 6-month ChessBase Premium Account included, you’re guaranteed full access to the world of ChessBase Web Apps (also for iPads, Android Tablets and Smartphones) on the move: 6,000 chess training videos, 60,000 tactical exercises, 8 million games in the Live database and, of course, the best online action on playchess.com. Fritz now also annotates and analyses as you play, immediately providing you with move-by-move summaries to replay after a game ends.

 

No, he's talking about aside from the live database that anyone with a Chessbase premium has access to. Each version of Fritz comes with it's own book and database "out of the box", and the database is typically ~1million games. They then sell all sorts of book and database updates/upgrades/addons throughout the year, specifically for Fritz, at a commercial cost.

kenardi
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
kenardi wrote:

https://database.chessbase.com/

Fritz 16 database only 1 million games?

From the chessbase website:

Stay moile with Fritz 16: With a 6-month ChessBase Premium Account included, you’re guaranteed full access to the world of ChessBase Web Apps (also for iPads, Android Tablets and Smartphones) on the move: 6,000 chess training videos, 60,000 tactical exercises, 8 million games in the Live database and, of course, the best online action on playchess.com. Fritz now also annotates and analyses as you play, immediately providing you with move-by-move summaries to replay after a game ends.

 

No, he's talking about aside from the live database that anyone with a Chessbase premium has access to. Each version of Fritz comes with it's own book and database "out of the box", and the database is typically ~1million games. They then sell all sorts of book and database updates/upgrades/addons throughout the year, specifically for Fritz, at a commercial cost.

Fritz does include a database on the disc, size varies over the years.  Examples:

Fritz 8 : 511,873 games

Fritz 13: 3,400,525 games

Fritz 15: 2,022,603 games

 

I have premium membership.  There is no database perks for premium membership.

There is a "Live Book" you can find that on the Notation Pane.

There is the "Live Database" the link I provided.  Anyone and everyone has access to that.

Yes, you can buy the "Big Database" or "Mega Database" from the online shop and download it.

 

CoffeeAnd420
kenardi wrote:
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
kenardi wrote:

https://database.chessbase.com/

Fritz 16 database only 1 million games?

From the chessbase website:

Stay moile with Fritz 16: With a 6-month ChessBase Premium Account included, you’re guaranteed full access to the world of ChessBase Web Apps (also for iPads, Android Tablets and Smartphones) on the move: 6,000 chess training videos, 60,000 tactical exercises, 8 million games in the Live database and, of course, the best online action on playchess.com. Fritz now also annotates and analyses as you play, immediately providing you with move-by-move summaries to replay after a game ends.

 

No, he's talking about aside from the live database that anyone with a Chessbase premium has access to. Each version of Fritz comes with it's own book and database "out of the box", and the database is typically ~1million games. They then sell all sorts of book and database updates/upgrades/addons throughout the year, specifically for Fritz, at a commercial cost.

Fritz does include a database on the disc, size varies over the years.  Examples:

Fritz 8 : 511,873 games

Fritz 13: 3,400,525 games

Fritz 15: 2,022,603 games

 

I have premium membership.  There is no database perks for premium membership.

There is a "Live Book" you can find that on the Notation Pane.

There is the "Live Database" the link I provided.  Anyone and everyone has access to that.

Yes, you can buy the "Big Database" or "Mega Database" from the online shop and download it.

 

 

1) Unless you have a premium account to Chessbase, you won't have access to the entirety (and all features) of the live database (8mill+ games).

 

2) Without the Premium, you cannot access cloud engines and "let's check" analysis.

 

3) There's much more than the "Big Database" or "Mega DB" available. As I said - those are available to anyone whether they own Chessbase and/or Fritz. Fritz has specific books for openings, systems, etc and also has specific databases you can buy that are only available for Fritz throughout the year. I would imagine they do this so you can still keep yourself customized and "up to date" even if you're a Fritz consumer who hasn't delved into the world of Chessbase 14+ yet.

kenardi
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
kenardi wrote:
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
kenardi wrote:

https://database.chessbase.com/

Fritz 16 database only 1 million games?

From the chessbase website:

Stay moile with Fritz 16: With a 6-month ChessBase Premium Account included, you’re guaranteed full access to the world of ChessBase Web Apps (also for iPads, Android Tablets and Smartphones) on the move: 6,000 chess training videos, 60,000 tactical exercises, 8 million games in the Live database and, of course, the best online action on playchess.com. Fritz now also annotates and analyses as you play, immediately providing you with move-by-move summaries to replay after a game ends.

 

No, he's talking about aside from the live database that anyone with a Chessbase premium has access to. Each version of Fritz comes with it's own book and database "out of the box", and the database is typically ~1million games. They then sell all sorts of book and database updates/upgrades/addons throughout the year, specifically for Fritz, at a commercial cost.

Fritz does include a database on the disc, size varies over the years.  Examples:

Fritz 8 : 511,873 games

Fritz 13: 3,400,525 games

Fritz 15: 2,022,603 games

 

I have premium membership.  There is no database perks for premium membership.

There is a "Live Book" you can find that on the Notation Pane.

There is the "Live Database" the link I provided.  Anyone and everyone has access to that.

Yes, you can buy the "Big Database" or "Mega Database" from the online shop and download it.

 

 

1) Unless you have a premium account to Chessbase, you won't have access to the entirety (and all features) of the live database (8mill+ games).

 

2) Without the Premium, you cannot access cloud engines and "let's check" analysis.

 

3) There's much more than the "Big Database" or "Mega DB" available. As I said - those are available to anyone whether they own Chessbase and/or Fritz. Fritz has specific books for openings, systems, etc and also has specific databases you can buy that are only available for Fritz throughout the year. I would imagine they do this so you can still keep yourself customized and "up to date" even if you're a Fritz consumer who hasn't delved into the world of Chessbase 14+ yet.

I have the premium account, I have been without the premium account as well.  Don't see any difference with the "Live Database", that I consider pretty much worthless.  If you want a functioning database program buy the Chessbase database program, currently Chessbase 14. 

Chessbase offers many add-on products, but is only currently selling two databases, as I mentioned.  Oops, seems there is one more, a correspondence database, my apologies. :-)

CoffeeAnd420
kenardi wrote:
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
kenardi wrote:
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
kenardi wrote:

https://database.chessbase.com/

Fritz 16 database only 1 million games?

From the chessbase website:

Stay moile with Fritz 16: With a 6-month ChessBase Premium Account included, you’re guaranteed full access to the world of ChessBase Web Apps (also for iPads, Android Tablets and Smartphones) on the move: 6,000 chess training videos, 60,000 tactical exercises, 8 million games in the Live database and, of course, the best online action on playchess.com. Fritz now also annotates and analyses as you play, immediately providing you with move-by-move summaries to replay after a game ends.

 

No, he's talking about aside from the live database that anyone with a Chessbase premium has access to. Each version of Fritz comes with it's own book and database "out of the box", and the database is typically ~1million games. They then sell all sorts of book and database updates/upgrades/addons throughout the year, specifically for Fritz, at a commercial cost.

Fritz does include a database on the disc, size varies over the years.  Examples:

Fritz 8 : 511,873 games

Fritz 13: 3,400,525 games

Fritz 15: 2,022,603 games

 

I have premium membership.  There is no database perks for premium membership.

There is a "Live Book" you can find that on the Notation Pane.

There is the "Live Database" the link I provided.  Anyone and everyone has access to that.

Yes, you can buy the "Big Database" or "Mega Database" from the online shop and download it.

 

 

1) Unless you have a premium account to Chessbase, you won't have access to the entirety (and all features) of the live database (8mill+ games).

 

2) Without the Premium, you cannot access cloud engines and "let's check" analysis.

 

3) There's much more than the "Big Database" or "Mega DB" available. As I said - those are available to anyone whether they own Chessbase and/or Fritz. Fritz has specific books for openings, systems, etc and also has specific databases you can buy that are only available for Fritz throughout the year. I would imagine they do this so you can still keep yourself customized and "up to date" even if you're a Fritz consumer who hasn't delved into the world of Chessbase 14+ yet.

I have the premium account, I have been without the premium account as well.  Don't see any difference with the "Live Database", that I consider pretty much worthless.  If you want a functioning database program buy the Chessbase database program, currently Chessbase 14. 

Chessbase offers many add-on products, but is only currently selling two databases, as I mentioned.  Oops, seems there is one more, a correspondence database, my apologies. :-)

 

https://shop.chessbase.com/en/products/powerbook_2018

 

And in the past (prior to 2018) they were selling opening specific books filled with variations + annotations. I hadn't looked until this morning but these are no longer on the market through the online store. Quite a bit has been removed, actually. I would imagine that's because many realized what you pointed out initially - Many of the databases, including the online live database, were/are either relatively useless or outrageously overpriced.

 

https://shop.chessbase.com/en/products/endspiel_turbo_4

 

There were also Endgame tablebases like this that were specifically for Fritz 15 owners but like much of what I've mentioned in this post - it has been removed from the shop. IIRC, this program wasn't up for even six months in total.

 

Naturally, I've considered the Chessbase program itself but want to wait for Chessbase 15 at this point.

 

edit: After looking at it again, Fritz Powerbook 2018 would probably be a better purchase than Fritz 16 itself. That is, of course, if you already own a previous version of Fritz.

kenardi

@coffeeand420 books are not databases... if you own Chessbase 14 you can make opening books all day, very simple to do.  You can make books with Fritz as well, just not as easy.

if you are looking for an endgame tablebase you can download that here: http://tablebase.sesse.net/

if you want a large database on your computer, search for, purchase, and download Chess King standard edition about ~$30 USD, it include the GigaBase 2017, 5.7 Million games plus another chess program.

CoffeeAnd420
kenardi wrote:

@coffeeand420 books are not databases... if you own Chessbase 14 you can make opening books all day, very simple to do.  You can make books with Fritz as well, just not as easy.

if you are looking for an endgame tablebase you can download that here: http://tablebase.sesse.net/

if you want a large database on your computer, search for, purchase, and download Chess King standard edition about ~$30 USD, it include the GigaBase 2017, 5.7 Million games plus another chess program.

 

Hmm...I didn't know the ChessKing Giga was that large. I'll look into it. Thanks.

kenardi

interesting review:

https://youtu.be/egxOHBQqZQs

 

 

RMChess1954

Fritz 16 analysis of a casual club game. https://www.chess.com/blog/RMChess1954/knight-moves 

Bfighter4935

Fritz has more or less the same features after each new version.

There are cheap bundled version available on the net such as "Echec & Mat" (Micro Application) or included in DGT products for free, or Shredder/Hiarcs based on Fritz GUI.

You can have them for a few bucks and they are full featured software. You can use the latest engines even with old versions, and they all have database and analysis options.

djroachcalvin

I think that if you are buying Fritz(any version) for the strength of the program (chess engine) that you are tossing your money away. I say that because there are plenty of free chess engines that are much stronger than the strongest version of Fritz, IE: Stockfish 8 & 9.However, if you are buying Fritz for the interface (GUI) then you are making a nice investment.

Bfighter4935
djroachcalvin a écrit :

[...] However, if you are buying Fritz for the interface (GUI) then you are making a nice investment.

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By the way, who tried the online version of Fritz ? I found the links between database and other features very confusing...

 

Luitpoldt

I find that Fritz 16 at 'Club Player' level is about equal in performance to the Chess.com computer at level 6.

mfelzien
I have found the 3D board functionality horrible. I was stuck in the mode until I rebooted my computer. How do you exit the 3D model?
jkh0208
Stauntonmaster wrote:

Fritz 16 has not proven that successful

Sorry you feel that way. It's been great for me.

djroachcalvin

There is one feature that Fritz 16 has but Chessbase 14 doesn't. I feel that feature will be very important in Chessbase because I use Chessbase to go through not just my games but a repertoire of games. I wish that when creating a Tactical Job and you select Deep Analysis, you were able to create how many moves (PLYs) the engine will output.  I have discovered that on one computer, same position, same time, it will provide an analysis of 10 moves and on my other computer it will output 3 moves.  I like to set both to about 8 moves.  Also, I like to do the same for the length of variations when I chose variations. On one machine the variations be 42 (PLYs) 21 moves and the other machine the variation length is 8 (Plys) 4 moves.

Kilbroney

Never seen the need for the average-joe player like myself, and no doubt many of your good selves, to have a data-base of 1,000s of 1,000s of games to try to find one move that will turn your game around at anyone given position. Average-Joe players will probably never find the exact position that they have in front of them in another game elsewhere. The term looking for a needle in a haystack comes to mind - and the needle and haystack might not even be there to begin with.

madratter7
Kilbroney wrote:

Never seen the need for the average-joe player like myself, and no doubt many of your good selves, to have a data-base of 1,000s of 1,000s of games to try to find one move that will turn your game around at anyone given position. Average-Joe players will probably never find the exact position that they have in front of them in another game elsewhere. The term looking for a needle in a haystack comes to mind - and the needle and haystack might not even be there to begin with.

 

You clearly have no idea how to put a good database to use. Suffice it to say, there are plenty of ways to get good use from a database, even at fairly low levels, such as mine.

 

It isn't about finding the exact position (although in the opening it does have that use). It is about finding similar positions and understanding typical plans that flow from that kind of position.

 

And that is just one of its uses.

Kilbroney

I stand corrected. I truly do thank you for your kind and instructive comments. You have sincerely made me think twice about this matter. Thank you.