Game Theory and Playing as Black

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Hi, I have a very different Question.

 

What if black had access to a completely free back row for space? So instead of a 8 x 8 grid, it would be a 9 x 8 with a empty row. pt.1 Or, alternatively, black had 1 more row in the middle for development. pt.2

How would either of these scenarios change chess?

And, to make the Question, pt.3 more complex, what if Deep Blue or even stronger Stockfish would vs Gary Kasparov, but would not have been able to access the data pieces that are positioned in the back row beyond 4 - 5 plys by rules. Would Kasparov abuse that empty row in the back?

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uhh... Please answer the original prompt. Not your opinion... I termed the article "Game Theory and Playing as Black". Can't you imagine possibilities rather than criticize them? My goal is to equalize black's advantage, but obviously I did not state that; it is merely implied.

 

I simply ask, how much of a advantage, not how much of a disadvantage, the way you interpreted my question, would it translate? Also, you misinterpreted my suggestion on the back row, it's like having limited computer intel on the back row that it's not allowed to calculate.

 

We are artificially limiting the range of plys on the back row just to make it fun and interesting for the Player, rather than the computer, just like how an F-22 having greater range can engage a J-20. My Question has yet to be answered. Thank you.

Avatar of oof_ow

uhh... You just sabotaged my prompt into a forced one-way conversation between us, but there are others who may think differently. Also, you sure post in many threads.

 

Give others a chance and don't jump to conclusions. I never asked for anyone's opinion, nor does anyone want to read strange remarks. Also, you avoided my prompt twice.

 

Posting opinions is mean towards others and is commonly done on technology forums, where it is a common strategy by moderators to silence someone, except that you are not a moderator.

Avatar of Rocky64

An extra back row for Black would give that side a huge advantage. The empty rank allows every black piece to manoeuvre more freely, e.g. the K doesn't have to worry about back rank mates, the Rs could play ...Ra9 or ...Rh9 and instantly access any file (including doubling Rs without developing the other pieces first). And all white Ps take an extra move to promote, so Black will win most endings involving P races. 

I don't get Pt.2. An extra rank in the middle would just be an extra rank (8x5 instead of 8x4 empty squares) - it doesn't belong to either side.

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I agree that the empty back rank would completely unbalance the game.

I also think that computer play would suffer considerably if it was restricted from "seeing" some part of the position.

I also think that white does not have any significant advantage in the beginning of the game that requires completely changing the game.

Avatar of oregonpatzer

Kasparov already abuses the existing 64 squares on a chessboard, so there's no reason to doubt what would happen if you gave him another 8 squares. 

Avatar of oof_ow

Thank you.