Why is chess not at the olympics?

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lfPatriotGames

I guess nobody has bothered to read the Wikipedia article on Olympic spirit that Pfren posted. In it you will find a very good reason why chess is not at the Olympics. And probably never will be. 

I agree it could. Nothing prevents it. But there is still that question. What other boards games should also be at the Olympics? Risk and Sorry would be good choices because of the competitiveness of them. 

GrunkleJoe

Simple reason : no profit. Billions of $$$ are involved.

Has a chess tournament ever had hundreds of thousands of paying (@ $$$ each) spectators?

The Modern Olympics were intended to promote international understanding thru sport.

It has become political and divisive as evidenced by the IOC requiring only national 'teams' and drug testing.   ???  

Chess IS International in the spirit of the Modern Olympics. 

I joined this group two weeks ago and have interacted with players

from South Africa, Brazil, Canada, Dominican Republic and the United Kingdom

lfPatriotGames
GrunkleJoe wrote:

Simple reason : no profit. Billions of $$$ are involved.

Has a chess tournament ever had hundreds of thousands of paying (@ $$$ each) spectators?

The Modern Olympics were intended to promote international understanding thru sport.

It has become political and divisive as evidenced by the IOC requiring only national 'teams' and drug testing.   ???  

Chess IS International in the spirit of the Modern Olympics. 

I joined this group two weeks ago and have interacted with players

from South Africa, Brazil, Canada, Dominican Republic and the United Kingdom

Chess IS international. But not really in the spirit if modern Olympics. What pfren didn't read in the article he posted is that the modern Olympic spirit is often expressed two different ways. Not to win, but to take part. And that true Olympic spirit is not in those who win, but those who come in last. Examples are given of those who refuse to quit. To come in last place, no matter how difficult it might be. Add to that the love of sport and there are a number of reasons chess isn't in the Olympics.

The true Olympic spirit, is to not quit. Not resign. This is the complete opposite of chess. In chess not only is resigning common, it's actually encouraged as a part of the game etiquette. I'm not sure the public and spectators want to see a bunch of quitters in the Olympics. 

LPGaming2
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pfren
lfPatriotGames έγραψε:

Chess IS international. But not really in the spirit if modern Olympics. What pfren didn't read in the article he posted is that the modern Olympic spirit is often expressed two different ways. Not to win, but to take part. And that true Olympic spirit is not in those who win, but those who come in last. Examples are given of those who refuse to quit. To come in last place, no matter how difficult it might be. Add to that the love of sport and there are a number of reasons chess isn't in the Olympics.

The true Olympic spirit, is to not quit. Not resign. This is the complete opposite of chess. In chess not only is resigning common, it's actually encouraged as a part of the game etiquette. I'm not sure the public and spectators want to see a bunch of quitters in the Olympics. 

 

Again your information is severely lacking.

Resignation in chess is an etiquette which was developed many years ago, and this because of the fact a game lasting days (actually under FIDE rules it would last more than 13 hours, but after the first 40 moves which were played in 5 hours the game was adjourned for the next day, and then a second, third and so on adjournment could happen).

So, a player would theoretically have the chance of playing no less than three long-time control games the very same day. A simple solution to that issue was resigning completely lost positions.

Now the time controls are much shorter, and adjournments are no more, but the etiquette remained.

Can you name a sport where a game can last 13+ hours? Or name a sport where an athlete can attend two or possibly three lengthy games at the same day?

 

Strangemover

Well, cricket can last 5 days and still end in a draw. The longest international match was 10 days between South Africa and England in 1939 (in a match pre-arranged to be 'timeless') but it had to be declared a draw because the ship England were travelling home on was scheduled to leave. Teams don't concede the match in hopelessly losing positions. 

AunTheKnight
Tad2721 wrote:

U dont need to be physically fit. Duh

Being physically fit helps though. You don't have to be fit to play baseball, but it helps.

DasBurner

apparently disagreeing with someone is now attacking him lol

DasBurner
Tad2721 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

apparently disagreeing with someone is now attacking him lol

U have attacked me before, too

whatever you say kid

lfPatriotGames
pfren wrote:
lfPatriotGames έγραψε:

Chess IS international. But not really in the spirit if modern Olympics. What pfren didn't read in the article he posted is that the modern Olympic spirit is often expressed two different ways. Not to win, but to take part. And that true Olympic spirit is not in those who win, but those who come in last. Examples are given of those who refuse to quit. To come in last place, no matter how difficult it might be. Add to that the love of sport and there are a number of reasons chess isn't in the Olympics.

The true Olympic spirit, is to not quit. Not resign. This is the complete opposite of chess. In chess not only is resigning common, it's actually encouraged as a part of the game etiquette. I'm not sure the public and spectators want to see a bunch of quitters in the Olympics. 

 

Again your information is severely lacking.

Resignation in chess is a etiquette which was developed many years ago, and this because of the fact a game lasting days (actually under FIDE rules it would last more than 13 hours, but after the first 40 moves which were played in 5 hours the game was adjourned for the next day, and then a second, third and so on adjournment could happen).

So, a player would theoretically have the chance of playing no less than three long-time control games the very same day. A simple solution to that issue was resigning completely lost positions.

Now the time controls are much shorter, and adjournments are no more, but the etiquette remained.

Can you name a sport where a game can last 13+ hours? Or name a sport where an athlete can attend two or possibly three lengthy games at the same day?

 

Well I suppose my information could be lacking. But it's from the article YOU posted. If you don't like it, you shouldn't have posted it. But the fact is chess is a game where quitting is encouraged. It happens all the time if one side thinks they can't win. The complete and total opposite of what the Olympics stand for. 

As for a sport that lasts 13 hours? No. I can't think of one. But board games last that long. I suppose you inadvertently stumbled on yet another reason why chess isn't a sport, and isn't likely to be in the Olympics any time soon. 

AunTheKnight
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:

U dont need to be physically fit. Duh

Being physically fit helps though. You don't have to be fit to play baseball, but it helps.

U do have to be fit for Bball! I play it, and u do. Please stop attacking me. I feel like anything I say u go against. Please stop mister

Err... okay, sorry. I just wanted to talk like a normal person. Can we be on good terms? I have never attacked you.

AunTheKnight
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:

U dont need to be physically fit. Duh

Being physically fit helps though. You don't have to be fit to play baseball, but it helps.

U do have to be fit for Bball! I play it, and u do. Please stop attacking me. I feel like anything I say u go against. Please stop mister

Err... okay, sorry. I just wanted to talk like a normal person. Can we be on good terms? I have never attacked you.

Yes u have mister. Remember when u started hating me because I think birds opening is bad? I dont mind disagreements but dont start targeting me. And u do need to be fit for Bball. I would know mister

I said it was sound. I... didn't attack you. I said it was a sound opening and to not trust the computer on move 1. That isn't attacking.

Tristan-Gurjot214
Tad2721 wrote:

U dont need to be physically fit. Duh

You do.

https://youtu.be/MPlXC3M8hbg

AunTheKnight
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:

U dont need to be physically fit. Duh

Being physically fit helps though. You don't have to be fit to play baseball, but it helps.

U do have to be fit for Bball! I play it, and u do. Please stop attacking me. I feel like anything I say u go against. Please stop mister

Err... okay, sorry. I just wanted to talk like a normal person. Can we be on good terms? I have never attacked you.

Yes u have mister. Remember when u started hating me because I think birds opening is bad? I dont mind disagreements but dont start targeting me. And u do need to be fit for Bball. I would know mister

I said it was sound. I... didn't attack you. I said it was a sound opening and to not trust the computer on move 1. That isn't attacking.

I aint gonna give u the attention u want

Er... okay. Are we on good terms now?

Tristan-Gurjot214
Tad2721 wrote:
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:

U dont need to be physically fit. Duh

You do.

https://youtu.be/MPlXC3M8hbg

No u don't

Then why is exercising part of the world champions' training?

AunTheKnight
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:

U dont need to be physically fit. Duh

Being physically fit helps though. You don't have to be fit to play baseball, but it helps.

U do have to be fit for Bball! I play it, and u do. Please stop attacking me. I feel like anything I say u go against. Please stop mister

Err... okay, sorry. I just wanted to talk like a normal person. Can we be on good terms? I have never attacked you.

Yes u have mister. Remember when u started hating me because I think birds opening is bad? I dont mind disagreements but dont start targeting me. And u do need to be fit for Bball. I would know mister

I said it was sound. I... didn't attack you. I said it was a sound opening and to not trust the computer on move 1. That isn't attacking.

I aint gonna give u the attention u want

Er... okay. Are we on good terms now?

Yes

Yay! Anyway, do you want chess to be in the Olympics?

Tristan-Gurjot214
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
Tad2721 wrote:

U dont need to be physically fit. Duh

Being physically fit helps though. You don't have to be fit to play baseball, but it helps.

U do have to be fit for Bball! I play it, and u do. Please stop attacking me. I feel like anything I say u go against. Please stop mister

Err... okay, sorry. I just wanted to talk like a normal person. Can we be on good terms? I have never attacked you.

Yes u have mister. Remember when u started hating me because I think birds opening is bad? I dont mind disagreements but dont start targeting me. And u do need to be fit for Bball. I would know mister

I said it was sound. I... didn't attack you. I said it was a sound opening and to not trust the computer on move 1. That isn't attacking.

I aint gonna give u the attention u want

Er... okay. Are we on good terms now?

Yes

Yay! Anyway, do you want chess to be in the Olympics?

I made it clear. NO

Why not?

Tristan-Gurjot214

Chess fit's the definition of a sport, and it has been recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee, and shooting is in the Olympics, and shooting isn't even a game.   

lfPatriotGames

I'm wondering what are some other sports where you don't have to use any muscles. 

lfPatriotGames
Tristan-Gurjot214 wrote:

Chess fit's the definition of a sport, and it has been recognized as a sport by the International Olympic Committee, and shooting is in the Olympics, and shooting isn't even a game.   

The Olympic committee considers it a game. It was in the original modern Olympics and has been ever since (with I think the exception of 2 years). Chess actually doesn't fit the definition of sport, which has been gone over countless times. Shooting, however, DOES fit the definition because of the physical skill and muscles involved. 

So again we have to ask the question, if chess should be in the Olympics, what other board game should also be in the Olympics?