Hard Work Alone Can Never Make You a Master


  • 22 months ago · Quote · #201

    ArchdukeShrimp

    Ok, the OP is completely correct. Everyone who is not a master at this very point in time will never make it to master level.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #202

    achja

    kleelof wrote:

    Funny that you went back and expanded your answer. 

    When you started talking about psychology, I thought you had the answer to why people get stuck like that.

    I think that if you can get to 1500, then you can probably get to 2200. And I am talking official ratings environments like FIDE.

    The reason I say this is that by the time you reach 1500, you have consumed some pretty complex knowledge about chess. So you, obvioulsy, have the ability to understand the 'secrets' of chess.

    So, why does someone get stuck at 1500? Well, one reason is like SocialPanda said "Studied the wrong thing."

    But I think a more likely reason is the inability to overcome psychological barriers. 

    You can read all the chess books in the world, but if you cannot overcome your psychological issues when playing, you will not be able to progress.

    Take Carlsen as an example. With all his talent and knowledge of chess, it would be almost worthless if he had a fear of losing that was so debilitating that he was unable to accurately use that talent and knowledge.

    I mention fear of losing here because that was my biggest problem when I started studying chess. Once I started addressing this issue, my game was able to start improving.

    kleelof, that's an interesting reply.

    Still, I do disagree, because 1500 rating is a level where quite a lot of blunders can be seen still. (With exceptions of course, because most chess giant were at 1500 rating level at some point. Even Capablanca was not born with a fabulous chess endgame technique)

    A rating of 1700/1800 is a level which in my opinion can be a good jumping start towards 2000 and up.

    However, for chess you need good memory, imagination, and more things.

    If you have memory problems, then you are already unlikely to get to 2200 is my impression.


  • 22 months ago · Quote · #203

    RonaldJosephCote

                   The OP is completely wrong. He's implying that a few people will be given divine intervention. I know for a fact that god doesn't give a rat's as* about chess.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #204

    achja

    kleelof, 

    Regarding psychology :

    I'm doing tactic puzzles every day since a while, and I've started to do certain tactic pattern sets as well as re-doing the failed tactics.

    I find it both fascinating and worrying to see that :

    * I fail some of the same puzzles over and over again.

    * I solve some puzzles where GMs overlooked the solution, and I fail some very easy puzzles solved correctly by many people.

    * While being fairly good at tactics I do blunder horribly from time to time in tactic calculations in my chess games.

    ... so, I'm a bit puzzled about what is going on here, and whether more people suffer from the same thing.



  • 22 months ago · Quote · #205

    kleelof

    ACHJA - Yes, I figured 1500 - 2200 was a bit of a stretch. I thought putting the FIDE requirement would make it less of a stretch. I actually wanted to use 1600 in my statement, but there sometimes seems to be a big jump with many people from 1500 to 1600.

    But I still do believe that anyone, with the right study and attitude can reach 2200. And that being stuck at 1500 or 1600 is more about psychology than ability. But, it is a very complex situation. There is probably more than 1 correct answer to this issue.

    About the tactics puzzles. I think this has some to do with 'blind spots'. 

    Your thinking can cause blind spots in your perception and understanding of a position. This is another form of psychological barriers. 

    For example, for reasons yet unknown to me, I almost ALWAYS miss batteries that include the queen(Q+B or Q+R). I miss the opportunities to set them up and often overlook their threats on my position. Even though I am aware of them and am aware that I miss them, I still continue to miss them.

    So when you are doing tactics. It is quite probable that people have different 'blind spots' in their assessment of the position. So what may be an easy tactic for you will be a difficult tactic for someone else. Even someone who outranks you because psychological barriers can never be completely eliminated from ones thinking.

    You are not alone.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #206

    913Glorax12

    ....in the universe

    Forgot that part

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #207

    kleelof

    913Glorax12 wrote:

    ....in the universe

    Forgot that part

    Oh yea. That reminds me of that t-shirt with a picture of the universe and an arrow pointing to some spot with the caption 'You are here'.

    It was great they gave all the monsters and aliens directions like that.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #208

    Till_98

    @ achja: I am not good at tactics but I have a very nice Imagination.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #209

    yureesystem

    KRAPARSOV

    Hard work alone can never make you a master but you could become a master of hard work

     

     Players who never reach a higher rating think it is impossible to become expert or master: but it can be done. If you study the right material, YOU WILL BECOME A LOT STRONGER! If you are at 1200 and you want to be 1800 FIDE or USCF, through hard word and systematic study you will reach your goal, guarantee.

      I am only suggesting these materials, these materials help me to reach 1800 USCF and later expert.

    (1) Morphy's Games Of Chess by Philip W. Sergeant ( 300 games)

    (2 ) Logical Chess Move By Move by Irving Chernev  (Excellent Book)

    (3) Amateur Verse Master by Max Euwe (One those book that explain move by move)

    (4) The Road to Chess Mastery by Max Euwe

    (5) 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifice and Combination by Fred Reinfeld ( The best book on tactics)

    (6) Modern Chess Strategy by Pachman ( excellent book on strategy)

    (7) Silman's Endgame Book ( Excellent book and well organize)

     Pick one tactical player like Morphy and one positional player like Capablanca or Rubinstein games collection and go through them with their annotation.

     I promise you , you will be a lot stronger player and reach at least 1800 FIDE or USCF without a trainer.  When I was low rated (1162 USCF) my first goal was 1800 USCF and I reach much higher. We are not talking about being a Grandmaster, that takes talent.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #210

    913Glorax12

    yureesystem wrote:

    KRAPARSOV

    Hard work alone can never make you a master but you could become a master of hard work

     

     Players who never reach a higher rating think it is impossible to become expert or master: but it can be done. If study the right material, YOU WILL BECOME A LOT STRONGER! If you are at 1200 and you want to be 1800 FIDE or USCF, through hard word and systematic study you will reach your goal, guarantee.

      I am only suggesting these materials, these materials help me to reach 1800 USCF and later expert.

    (1) Morphy's Games Of Chess by Philip W. Sergeant ( 300 games)

    (2 ) Logical Chess Move By Move by Irving Chernev  (Excellent Book)

    (3) Amateur Verse Master by Max Euwe (One those book that explain move by move)

    (4) The Road to Chess Mastery by Max Euwe

    (5) 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifice and Combination by Fred Reinfeld ( The best book on tactics)

    (6) Modern Chess Strategy by Pachman ( excellent book on strategy)

    (7) Silman's Endgame Book ( Excellent book and well organize)

     Pick one tactical player like Morphy and one positional player like Capablanca or Rubinstein games collection and go through them with their annotation.

     I promise you , you will be a lot stronger player and reach at least 1800 FIDE or USCF without a trainer.  When I was low rated (1162 USCF) my first goal was 1800 USCF and I reach much higher. We are not talking about being a Grandmaster, that takes talent.

    Why would  you work hard if you gain nothing.

    Its like saying you work really hard at the factory, but to bad you never will get a pay raise. But hey, your the best worker I have!

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #211

    yureesystem

    Any player who has the discipline to systematic study chess material and reach a goal, can apply the same principles to any endeavor to succeed in life. It take mental discipline and will power to reach any goal.

     

    21 minutes ago·Quote·#259

    913Glorax12

    yureesystem wrote:

    KRAPARSOV

    Hard work alone can never make you a master but you could become a master of hard work

     

    Players who never reach a higher rating think it is impossible to become expert or master: but it can be done. If study the right material, YOU WILL BECOME A LOT STRONGER! If you are at 1200 and you want to be 1800 FIDE or USCF, through hard word and systematic study you will reach your goal, guarantee.

    I am only suggesting these materials, these materials help me to reach 1800 USCF and later expert.

    (1) Morphy's Games Of Chess by Philip W. Sergeant ( 300 games)

    (2 ) Logical Chess Move By Move by Irving Chernev (Excellent Book)

    (3) Amateur Verse Master by Max Euwe (One those book that explain move by move)

    (4) The Road to Chess Mastery by Max Euwe

    (5) 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifice and Combination by Fred Reinfeld ( The best book on tactics)

    (6) Modern Chess Strategy by Pachman ( excellent book on strategy)

    (7) Silman's Endgame Book ( Excellent book and well organize)

    Pick one tactical player like Morphy and one positional player like Capablanca or Rubinstein games collection and go through them with their annotation.

    I promise you , you will be a lot stronger player and reach at least 1800 FIDE or USCF without a trainer. When I was low rated (1162 USCF) my first goal was 1800 USCF and I reach much higher. We are not talking about being a Grandmaster, that takes talent.

    Why would you work hard if you gain nothing.   Its like saying you work really hard at the factory, but to bad you never will get a pay raise. But hey, your the best worker I have!

    yureesystem wrote: A discipline mind can achieve anything in life because he overcome difficult problems without give-up: but staying focus and pushing through adversities to reach a goal.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #212

    913Glorax12

    Well, thank you for showing my picture! I am honored!

    What goal if you are just the master of hard work. A jack of all trades and master on none.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #213

    yureesystem

    25 minutes ago·Quote·#261

    913Glorax12

    Well, thank you for showing my picture! I am honored!

    What goal if you are just the master of hard work. A jack of all trades and master on none.

     

     

    yureesystem:     Hard work in any endeavor with focus bring good results.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #214

    913Glorax12

    Not according to kasparov

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #215

    rtr1129

    Ok guys, I've decided to settle this and become a master.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #216

    913Glorax12

    Good luck with that!

    Don't let anyone stop you! Ever!


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