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Hou Yifan plays the Fool's mate. Resigns after move 5 in 2017 Gibraltar Masters.

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CM cluepon
Feb 2, 2017
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#121

 Unlikely is not equal to impossible.

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llama
Feb 2, 2017
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#122
way7810 wrote:

dont make a big deal out of this.

It was just the last round of an open tournament. Where for many Players it doesnt matter anymore. It has no influence in prize Money or anything. For many Players the tournament is over at that Point. Some are frustrated. so they Play the last round just to finish and go home. 

in that sense her game was actually funny. I Kind of feel sorry for her.

Obviosly she was angry about the Tournament. What ever it was. And she over reacted. but atleast it was honest.

But to People who make a big deal of it, it s like for example in a Marathon or a bycycle race or something like that. Where ist doesnt matter anymore if you are rank 50 or 60 at the end. Nobody would blame People who drop out or give up. or didnt run fast anymore.

so i have no strong emotions about that hou yifan incident.

I mostly agree... but it's not that she didn't try in the last round, or didn't show up, she made a spectacle of it, and accused the organizers / arbiters of wrongdoing.

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GM ChristopherYoo
Feb 2, 2017
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#123
IpswichMatt wrote:
yyoochess wrote:
 

The most shameful thing on here was your whining about "women and their illogical emotions" and "female chess players whining all the time."  Really.  Shame on you.

But at least there is evidence of Yifan's whining. We have yet to see if there is any evidence of someone tampering with the pairings. Which would be a serious issue if that was the case.

Can you think of any reason the organisers would mess about with the pairings?

 

All speculation, but...

1.  FIDE wanting to punish or send a message to her for her avoiding women's events and complaining about how FIDE runs the women's world championship

2.  Bowing to the will of men in the event who wanted to avoid being paired against strong women.

There are still male chessplayers who openly whine about women having an advantage over the board because women are "distracting."

3.  Someone who personally dislikes "whining" women and their "illogical emotions" trying to punish Hou Yifan.


There could be more innocent explanations for skewed pairings as well:

1.  Inadvertent misuse of Swiss-Manager.  I don't know to know extent this is possible, but perhaps 'team' or other settings could have been tweaked to favor or disfavor certain kinds of pairings.

2.  A hacker just messing with everyone.  Russian hackers might have too much time on their hands since the US elections are over.  happy.png

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IpswichMatt
Feb 2, 2017
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#124
Telestu wrote:
 
so i have no strong emotions about that hou yifan incident.

I mostly agree... but it's not that she didn't try in the last round, or didn't show up, she made a spectacle of it, and accused the organizers / arbiters of wrongdoing.

Exactly. It is a serious allegation against the organisers. If she's got it wrong I hope there will be repercussions against her.  

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CM cluepon
Feb 2, 2017
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#125
yyoochess wrote:

There could be more innocent explanations for skewed pairings as well:

1.  Inadvertent misuse of Swiss-Manager.  I don't know to know extent this is possible, but perhaps 'team' or other settings could have been tweaked to favor or disfavor certain kinds of pairings.

2.  A hacker just messing with everyone.  Russian hackers might have too much time on their hands since the US elections are over.  

 

Well, start simple. Start by pointing out where the skewed pairings are. Which pairings are wrong according to you, what should the pairing have been, and based on what rule of the FIDE handbook chapter describing the Swiss pairings?

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IpswichMatt
Feb 2, 2017
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#126
yyoochess wrote:
 

All speculation, but...

1.  FIDE wanting to punish or send a message to her for her avoiding women's events and complaining about how FIDE runs the women's world championship

2.  Bowing to the will of men in the event who wanted to avoid being paired against strong women.

There are still male chessplayers who openly whine about women having an advantage over the board because women are "distracting."

3.  Someone who personally dislikes "whining" women and their "illogical emotions" trying to punish Hou Yifan.


There could be more innocent explanations for skewed pairings as well:

1.  Inadvertent misuse of Swiss-Manager.  I don't know to know extent this is possible, but perhaps 'team' or other settings could have been tweaked to favor or disfavor certain kinds of pairings.

2.  A hacker just messing with everyone.  Russian hackers might have too much time on their hands since the US elections are over.  

Like it!

I've got one - the Misogynist Chess Illuminati wanted to provoke her into a reaction. That they succeeded shows just how deviously clever they are. Now they will take punitive actions against all female chess players.

You heard it here first. What the date ? Feb 2nd - 2/2. Right, I am the start of the "2/2 Truther Movement"

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IpswichMatt
Feb 2, 2017
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#127
2Q1C wrote:
I think by now even she will realize how dumb she has been and will retire from professional chess. 

Whoah! Bit harsh!

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way7810
Feb 2, 2017
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#128

Its interesting that People with aparently less experience in chess are emotional about this. Demanding Bans,punishment and talking about sexism feminism an all oft that. Way out of proportion.

Of course she made a mistake. ok. but lets not over react here.

I remember seening 2 Grandmaster throwing the chesspeaces over the bard at each other.

ok that was 20 years or so ago.

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IpswichMatt
Feb 2, 2017
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#129
way7810 wrote:

 

I remember seening 2 Grandmaster throwing the chesspeaces over the bard at each other..

Really?  Throwing chess pieces over Shakespeare? happy.png

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prusswan
Feb 2, 2017
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#130

Is this now a hou-gate or swiss-gate?

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way7810
Feb 2, 2017
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#131
IpswichMatt wrote:
way7810 wrote:

 

I remember seening 2 Grandmaster throwing the chesspeaces over the bard at each other..

Really?  You saw Shakespeare? 

Well they didnt throw them fully. It was at a blitz tournament. When one Player won he said check mate to the other. So he got angry and pushed the chess pieces at the oponent. Whit his Hand he cleaned the board on the Opponent. So the other Player pushed them even stronger back at him. they didnt throw them one by one at the face of each other.

non the less it was more disrespecting. and also more funny.

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way7810
Feb 2, 2017
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#132
2Q1C wrote:
way7810 wrote:

Its interesting that People with aparently less experience in chess are emotional about this. Demanding Bans,punishment and talking about sexism feminism an all oft that. Way out of proportion.

Of course she made a mistake. ok. but lets not over react here.

I remember seening 2 Grandmaster throwing the chesspeaces over the bard at each other.

ok that was 20 years or so ago.

 

So to have an opinion on football you need to be a professional player? What about golf? Or basketball?

 

Making a mistake is different from deliberately throwing a game. It is an insult to the organizers and her opponents. It was a calculated and immature decision on her part. I really hope she has sufficient evidence to back up her claims, otherwise a ban seems to be the only reasonable option. 

 

 

Everybody can have an opinion. I just say that the opinion differs from the experience and understanding of the Players situation

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GM ChristopherYoo
Feb 2, 2017
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#133
IpswichMatt wrote:
yyoochess wrote:
 

All speculation, but...

1.  FIDE wanting to punish or send a message to her for her avoiding women's events and complaining about how FIDE runs the women's world championship

2.  Bowing to the will of men in the event who wanted to avoid being paired against strong women.

There are still male chessplayers who openly whine about women having an advantage over the board because women are "distracting."

3.  Someone who personally dislikes "whining" women and their "illogical emotions" trying to punish Hou Yifan.


There could be more innocent explanations for skewed pairings as well:

1.  Inadvertent misuse of Swiss-Manager.  I don't know to know extent this is possible, but perhaps 'team' or other settings could have been tweaked to favor or disfavor certain kinds of pairings.

2.  A hacker just messing with everyone.  Russian hackers might have too much time on their hands since the US elections are over.  

Like it!

I've got one - the Misogynist Chess Illuminati wanted to provoke her into a reaction. That they succeeded shows just how deviously clever they are. Now they will take punitive actions against all female chess players.

You heard it here first. What the date ? Feb 2nd - 2/2. Right, I am the start of the "2/2 Truther Movement"

 

Maybe they just wanted to create some marquee female match-ups and generate some additional interest for the event as someone else suggested?  Maybe even to help promote women's chess?

The point is that there are plenty of possible motives for skewing the pairings, some more plausible than others.  But bear in mind that it takes the actions of just ONE person, intentionally or unintentionally, to upset the pairings.

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CM cluepon
Feb 2, 2017
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#134
yyoochess wrote:

The point is that there are plenty of possible motives for skewing the pairings, some more plausible than others.  But bear in mind that it takes the actions of just ONE person, intentionally or unintentionally, to upset the pairings.

 

Again... let's start at the beginning. Where is the pairing skewed or upset or whatever name you want to give it? And what should the pairing have been?

You can refer to the FIDE rules for the system used in Gibraltar:

https://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=167&view=article

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GM ChristopherYoo
Feb 2, 2017
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#135
cluepon wrote:
yyoochess wrote:

The point is that there are plenty of possible motives for skewing the pairings, some more plausible than others.  But bear in mind that it takes the actions of just ONE person, intentionally or unintentionally, to upset the pairings.

 

Again... let's start at the beginning. Where is the pairing skewed or upset or whatever name you want to give it? And what should the pairing have been?

You can refer to the FIDE rules for the system used in Gibraltar:

https://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=167&view=article

 

I was asked for possible motives for skewing the pairings, so I presented a few.  

 

As for whether they were actually skewed, that should be simple enough to check.  Redo the pairings in Swiss-Manager and see the results.  There are also various ways to see if Swiss-Manager was compromised or misused in some way.  I'm a software engineer.

 

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CM cluepon
Feb 2, 2017
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#136

 Read back. I already did that: took the results, put them in another FIDE endorsed program, compared the results.

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CM cluepon
Feb 2, 2017
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#137
cluepon wrote:

 Read back. I already did that: took the results, put them in another FIDE endorsed program, compared the results.

 

 

Oops, lemme rephrase that "read back". Check the news article on Gibraltar, that's where I already did that

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urk
Feb 2, 2017
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#138
Look at it this way.
It takes a strong willed woman to become the best, and a strong will to also carry out that kind of very public protest.

She's not your average girl.
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GM ChristopherYoo
Feb 2, 2017
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#139
cluepon wrote:
cluepon wrote:

 Read back. I already did that: took the results, put them in another FIDE endorsed program, compared the results.

 

 

Oops, lemme rephrase that "read back". Check the news article on Gibraltar, that's where I already did that

 

Not finding it.  Link?  

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CM cluepon
Feb 2, 2017
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#140
yyoochess wrote:
cluepon wrote:
cluepon wrote:

 Read back. I already did that: took the results, put them in another FIDE endorsed program, compared the results.

 

 

Oops, lemme rephrase that "read back". Check the news article on Gibraltar, that's where I already did that

 

Not finding it.  Link?  

 

https://www.chess.com/news/view/nakamura-wins-third-straight-title-in-gibraltar-playoff-7376

 

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