Please copy paste the article (I am not paying NYT just to disprove a strangers argument) but I am reiterating that it is ILLEGAL to pay women less because of their gender FOR 60 YEARS
Only for those hired for positions with a preset salary. Individual contracts may still be negotiated, performance bonuses awarded, and promotions given by predominately male managers.
Women's titles should be abolished altogether. There are more than enough women who have earned proper titles on merit to show that women's titles aren't needed.
You're basically spam at this point.
You've never been anything but in your entire tenure here. You'll be scampering off in a week or two, as per usual. Then when somebody triggers your "must defend masculinity" alerts, you'll come back. You're a poor man's @RoobieRoo.
My female physician colleagues don't make less than my male physician colleagues.
As someone already told you, that's illegal as hell.
It's not just anecdotal, it's a statistic. Women literally get paid equal to a man in the United States, and it's illegal not to.
No, I already posted the statistics. On average, a male doctor in the US will earn $2 million dollars more by retirement than a female doctor. You just ignored that link because you cannot logically defend it.
No, you are getting confused.
Just because a male physician tends to work more in their lifetime than a female physician, does not mean they are earning more for the same hours put in.
There was a poster who posted several links combatting your ignorant belief a few pages ago, which had several thumbs up and were top tier statistics. You should look at them.
Women's titles should be abolished altogether. There are more than enough women who have earned proper titles on merit to show that women's titles aren't needed.
Women's titles can be removed when women's participation numbers more closely reflect their ratio in the general population. Much like any "affirmative action" type of policy.
"education" in the last 2 decades is more like "indoctrination" for many modern disciplines, especially the faculties of education, and the humanities, your claim, that i have seen before, i think the lion's share of propaganda of that ilk was based on the pew research data, which if you look at, its not being portrayed honestly. It's facile to make the argument that this is precisely It, indoctrination, by leftist academics. who outnumber conservatives in academia by a wide margin, and why is that? Because of the toxic atmosphere leftists create everywhere for people with contrarian views. But my point was about Intelligence and critical thinking ability, "Education" does not guarantee a person possesses those qualities, and the converse is also true.
Ummm...no.
The indoctrination narrative is just fluff you've been fed on your steady diet of opinion shows and fringe blogs/articles, etc. disguised as news. Education is the only reasonable/measurable indicator, and on average, it holds up.
As I said, you don't have to believe me...the world will sweep you along with it anyway.
High school and undergraduate college definitely have courses that are agenda-based.
I remember my high school class was a writing class, except it never taught you how to write a paper and only focused on stereotypes, prejudices, etc.
And that was forever ago. Way before most of this newer stuff came to be.
That meant when I got to college, I literally had to teach myself how to actually write a paper in the correct organizational pattern - all of which should have been taught in that class instead of agenda-based ideals.
I don't accept anecdotal evidence from people that try to claim anecdotally that women doctors make as much as men and there is no pay gap . You don't seem able to operate on a level past your own interests.
My female physician colleagues don't make less than my male physician colleagues.
As someone already told you, that's illegal as hell.
It's not just anecdotal, it's a statistic. Women literally get paid equal to a man in the United States, and it's illegal not to.
Killing is illegal, guess what violent men still kill their spouse at an alarming rate.
You guys have no argument, just make believe opinions. You have no idea what's happening in the real world because you refuse to listen to the people who have actually studied the question and published serious work in scientific journals and advise policy-makers.
Not to be confronting, but aren't you from Belgium? How on Earth do you know about equal pay in the United States? Since you ignore the statistics, what anecdotal evidence would you even have?
Again, we hire male physicians and female physicians at an equal price at our clinics and hospitals.
It's extremely illegal not to, and no company wants to be sued over that.
Didn't address any of the points I raised, raised a few of your own and then expect me to address those.
You raise education as an example, when we've had pretty much the same thing (tests being changed), in order to reach this same equality ideal.
Your only point seems to be that everything is hunky-dory today, particularly so in England, so treatment, attitudes and prejudices from the past (including recently enough that very many people raised with these beliefs are still among us) are meaningless. Not to mention that conditions in the rest of the world are irrelevant. To quote Kuwabatake Sanjuro (30 year old mulberry field) played by Toshiro Mifune in Yojimbo: "You can't help fools."
No, you are getting confused.
Just because a male physician tends to work more in their lifetime than a female physician, does not mean they are earning more for the same hours put in.
There was a poster who posted several links combatting your ignorant belief a few pages ago, which had several thumbs up and were top tier statistics. You should look at them.
I did look at them. Rooster's links are mostly garbage. The thumbs ups are coming from a circle jerk of the same handful of "male rights" proponents, and are meaningless.
Oh my God, can't you people understand that something being illegal does not suddenly make everyone respect the law.
The statistics are clear that pure discrimination is still responsible for a 5% pay gap.
Oh my God, can't you people understand that something being illegal does not suddenly make everyone respect the law.
The statistics are clear that pure discrimination is still responsible for a 5% pay gap.
If it is clear, then why are you having such trouble proving such a hypothesis? Settle down, ok.
Women's titles should be abolished altogether. There are more than enough women who have earned proper titles on merit to show that women's titles aren't needed.
So you would make it impossible for women in nations like Iran (among many others) where women are forbidden by law to play chess vs men, to ever earn any sort of title. How can they qualify for titles if they are not allowed into tournaments strong enough to earn norms?
If it is clear, then why are you having such trouble proving such a hypothesis? Settle down, ok.
Another 8 day old sockpuppet account...funny how they are all on one side of this discussion...
Didn't address any of the points I raised, raised a few of your own and then expect me to address those.
You raise education as an example, when we've had pretty much the same thing (tests being changed), in order to reach this same equality ideal.
Your only point seems to be that everything is hunky-dory today, particularly so in England, so treatment, attitudes and prejudices from the past (including recently enough that very many people raised with these beliefs are still among us) are meaningless. Not to mention that conditions in the rest of the world are irrelevant. To quote Kuwabatake Sanjuro (30 year old mulberry field) played by Toshiro Mifune in Yojimbo: "You can't help fools."
I said the different times can't be compared (generally can't when children are working from the age of 11 years old), and I questioned the effectiveness of lowering the requirements.
Why not allow women only tournaments in backwards countries? Why must there be women's only titles for such events?
Yes, but the conditions that led to the creation of women's titles were a carryover from prejudiced and discriminatory times, and a lot of these attitudes persist into the present.
Certainly everyone would welcome a world where such things as special treatment for unfairly disadvantaged groups were no longer needed. Don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.
Why not allow women only tournaments in backwards countries? Why must there be women's only titles for such events?
Women-only tournaments DO exist; they are the only ones available to women in a great many places. Women from some nations are not allowed to travel to play in mixed tournaments, or are punished when they return home. Why can't they go abroad and play stronger women players (who have the advantage of playing in stronger mixed events) to improve their skills? Why should they not be recognized for their accomplishments in the arena in which they play?
Yes, but the conditions that led to the creation of women's titles were a carryover from prejudiced and discriminatory times, and a lot of these attitudes persist into the present.
Certainly everyone would welcome a world where such things as special treatment for unfairly disadvantaged groups were no longer needed. Don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.
You are comparing then to now which is just a false comparison.
Haven't broached the subject of it's usefulness yet.
"education" in the last 2 decades is more like "indoctrination" for many modern disciplines, especially the faculties of education, and the humanities, your claim, that i have seen before, i think the lion's share of propaganda of that ilk was based on the pew research data, which if you look at, its not being portrayed honestly. It's facile to make the argument that this is precisely It, indoctrination, by leftist academics. who outnumber conservatives in academia by a wide margin, and why is that? Because of the toxic atmosphere leftists create everywhere for people with contrarian views. But my point was about Intelligence and critical thinking ability, "Education" does not guarantee a person possesses those qualities, and the converse is also true.
Ummm...no.
The indoctrination narrative is just fluff you've been fed on your steady diet of opinion shows and fringe blogs/articles, etc. disguised as news. Education is the only reasonable/measurable indicator, and on average, it holds up.
As I said, you don't have to believe me...the world will sweep you along with it anyway.
High school and undergraduate college definitely have courses that are agenda-based.
I remember my high school class was a writing class, except it never taught you how to write a paper and only focused on stereotypes, prejudices, etc.
And that was forever ago. Way before most of this newer stuff came to be.
That meant when I got to college, I literally had to teach myself how to actually write a paper in the correct organizational pattern - all of which should have been taught in that class instead of agenda-based ideals.
I don't accept anecdotal evidence from people that try to claim anecdotally that women doctors make as much as men and there is no pay gap . You don't seem able to operate on a level past your own interests.
My female physician colleagues don't make less than my male physician colleagues.
As someone already told you, that's illegal as hell.
It's not just anecdotal, it's a statistic. Women literally get paid equal to a man in the United States, and it's illegal not to.
Killing is illegal, guess what violent men still kill their spouse at an alarming rate.
You guys have no argument, just make believe opinions. You have no idea what's happening in the real world because you refuse to listen to the people who have actually studied the question and published serious work in scientific journals and advise policy-makers.
Not to be confronting, but aren't you from Belgium? How on Earth do you know about equal pay in the United States?
Not to be confronting, but aren't you a man? How on Earth do you know about women's salaries?
No, you are getting confused.
Just because a male physician tends to work more in their lifetime than a female physician, does not mean they are earning more for the same hours put in.
There was a poster who posted several links combatting your ignorant belief a few pages ago, which had several thumbs up and were top tier statistics. You should look at them.
I did look at them. Rooster's links are mostly garbage. The thumbs ups are coming from a circle jerk of the same handful of "male rights" proponents, and are meaningless.
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No, the thumbs up, are from people who are objectively looking at the evidence, simping outdated attitudes about "the oppression" of women in the west is no way to go though life boy.
Men couldn't vote in 1823.
*and telling me that 1% could is reaching even by your standard.
In the UK, maybe...you've always been a bit more behind the times than you let on .
You're basically spam at this point.