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Is there any chance that a 1300 rated player can beat a 2700 rated player?

  • #1061

    There is hope.

    You play a man called B. Ivanov who is 2700. He loses the connection to his chess computer.

  • #1062

    "The question has been answered, Logan 5".

  • #1063

    It takes a lot of work to go from master to grandmaster, and those over 2700 snack on ordinary grandmasters. There is no way that an underrated but highly skilled player at 1300 is in the class of those who can upset the world's elite (top 50).

  • #1064

    I'll take a 2700 any day, but I would have no chance.

  • #1065

    I do not believe it is possible. Thats like getting Vishy Anand to play me.... He could easily beat me while multiple pieces down. He could make several blunders and still win easily.

  • #1066

    no they have no chance, unless the 1300 is a trolling GM

  • #1067

    hahah all the comments saying no make me laugh because yes, it is very unlikely but is not impossible 

  • #1068

    Those who harbor hope for the 1300 have no understanding of the skill level of a 1300. I win 95% of my games against 1300s, and would lose a higher percentage to 2700s if I played them.

  • #1069

    Don't have time to read all 49 pages but at tournaments I have seen 1600 players beat 2200 players, 1800 players beat 2300 players and I know an A-class player who drew with a GM once.

    Consistently play at that level, well DUH not likely - otherwise they wouldn't have such low ratings!

    But you have to remember that there are several types of lower rated players. Those that are moving up, those who are stable, and those who are over rated.

    My nephew once lost a game to Nakamura...N's rating at the time was about 1300.


    Talk about swiss gambit!

  • #1070

    It's possible of course, but so probabilistically unlikely it would almost never happen ever in real life unless the GM falls asleep and loses on time or something. The 1300's best chance would be to memorize some completely obscure not known at all trap opening, and even if the GM has never seen it before 99.999999% of the time they will not fall from it just because of their instincts and ability to see far ahead.

  • #1071

    One of my sons once won a prize for biggest upset in a tournament. I think it was a500 or 600 point differential. Of course, my son was probably slightly under-rated since he had only just started playing. Also at lower ratings, players can make big blunders that even players several hundred points lower can take advantage of. GMs rated 2700 make few mistakes, and their mistakes are rather subtle.

    Rasparovov wrote:

    tieics wrote:

    I think if there is 300 ELO point difference between  two players it's no point playing the game. Practically the player with lower ELO has 0 winning chance.

    I won against a guy rated 509 points ahead of me. With black. After 23 moves.

  • #1072

    I gave up a 500+ point upset in a game 10. 1400 points is a whole other kettle of fish, especially whan you consider that 2700 is not just some GM, but a member of the world's elite and a household name among chess playing families.

  • #1073

    If the rating difference is 735 or more the higher rated player should win 100% of the games. If the difference is between 291-302 then the higher rated player should win 85%.

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  • #1075

    Possible if 1300 has 16 pieces and 2700 has a king.

  • #1076

    It's also possible that the 2700 player is letting the 1300 win - for example, if he is the coach and wants to encourage the student and build the student's confidence. I also know parents that let their kids win at games in general, especially if their kids get upset when they lose. I myself have never purposely lost to my kids or even intentionally made a bad move in a game against them, although I used to let them take back moves ("are you sure you want to make that move?") or pointed out threats. Nowadays, they are better than me -- and they never show me any mercy!

  • #1077

    Pt, the stipulation was a tournament/match where the 2700 had an incentive to win.

  • #1078

         simply stated: yes

  • #1079
    psiphi1 wrote:

    yes,IF,the higher ranked is giving a simultaneous,plays skittles,doesn't take his opp. seriously or gives him odds. But if you mean a tournament game,then the ansswer is still YES,but very rarely. How? Being human we are all susceptible to aberrations,loss of concentration,errors,or just plain didn't see  it,or looking a forced mate 17 moves deep and getting so excited that he plays move 14 for move 13-THE GAME IS LOST.   This actually happened to a player!!

    there was a tournament were a 2700 rated player played a 1300 rated player?????

    what was the tournament called??

  • #1080

    John Nunn lost to a kid.


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