@btickler and @optimissed
Many or most of your posts do not even talk about chess or luck. You just berate each other. Many of your posts contain nothing else but the insulting of the other. And you tell me MY post isn't constructive? If I had it to do over again, I would have said exactly what I said, but sent it to Chess in a private message.
There may be an audience who cares whether luck is a factor, but I doubt there is an audience who cares about your personal feud.
Hmmm...you might be right. Maybe Chess.com should moderate their forums with a tighter hand on the reins, and maybe even use judgment of intent and not just the letter of the law? Just a thought. That would require more manpower, though.
Wouldn't it be terrible if that were the end result of all this public confrontation between various posters? I mean, just imagine...the repercussions could have the danger of rippling outwards, possibly also curtailing other types of attention seeking, like counting threads and the like...horrible.
I'm 100% for freedom of speech and opposed to government intervention. I would much prefer the continuation of your bickering with each other than to have "mind police" decide it's against the rules. As juvenile, banal, and tiresome at it often is, it's preferable to fascism.
There's no (1) free speech, (2) government intervention, or (3) institutionalized fascism on a free market website like Chess.com.
the thing is that media and companies like twitter could have a large amount of control over its users.
Anyway, this argument or whatever it is, is over. It just remains for some others to work out their own arguments and discussions, concerning this. I'm satisfied that I've fully demonstrated that luck exists in chess, for whatever that's worth and in the face of a large amount of personal innuendo. Since I never stop learning, I have learned how to counter it relatively politely and more effectively. As a result, my effective participation in this discussion has been over since yesterday, because I demonstrated my arguments in a manner which no-one was (or is) able to refute.
It's finished, so why start making waves now? You ego needs a turn? You don't want to be left out of the bickering?
Luck in chess has been demonstrated by many people in this thread in a convincing manner, now it's just about converting it into a practical version that anyone would understand. That might be impossible.
Quite a while ago it was determined that there is luck in chess. I agree it's pretty convincing. I suggested that we move on to determining how much luck there is, since the question of whether or not it exists has been answered pretty well.