Promoting pawns when you are ahead in material...Rude?

CalamityChristie
ClavierCavalier wrote:
chapablanca2000 wrote:

Yes, but in a football or basketball game, there's no option to resign, nor is there any way to "win as quickly as possible". About the closest thing is for the losing team in a blowout to start playing its bench players, and that usually happens after the winning team does the same. And the closest thing to playing on a queen down would be if a basketball team is down, say, 20 points with two minutes left, and they keep fouling the other team to put them on the free throw line and prolong the game. 

Why wouldn't a sports team have the option to resign?  Even if they can't resign, they could technically sit out the rest of the game

the more i read that, the more puzzled i get!

rooperi
CalamityChristie wrote:
ClavierCavalier wrote:
chapablanca2000 wrote:

Yes, but in a football or basketball game, there's no option to resign, nor is there any way to "win as quickly as possible". About the closest thing is for the losing team in a blowout to start playing its bench players, and that usually happens after the winning team does the same. And the closest thing to playing on a queen down would be if a basketball team is down, say, 20 points with two minutes left, and they keep fouling the other team to put them on the free throw line and prolong the game. 

Why wouldn't a sports team have the option to resign?  Even if they can't resign, they could technically sit out the rest of the game

the more i read that, the more puzzled i get!

Some sports you can resign, concede, throw in the towel, whatever you want to call it.

Boxing, snooker springs to mind, maybe there's more.....

CalamityChristie

i'm still wondering about the teams though

gambiteer12
TheGrobe wrote:

The right, yes, but then that wasn't the question, was it?

To consider a legal move as unethical is silly.

TheGrobe

Suggo?

Rude is not even close to the same thing as unethical.

Scottrf

Is it unethical to ask for requests as to what I should promote to?

AnthonyCG

This reminds me of a funny game I saw between provisional players:

brisket

Why would we promote to a bishop? You could have simply done a rook or a queen and then checkmated the king easily.

gambiteer12
TheGrobe wrote:

Suggo?

Rude is not even close to the same thing as unethical.

If it's not wrong for someone to promote their 5th knight, why should anyone take it as being rude? Is more than one draw offer rude? Is 2.Qh5 rude? What of silly sacks on f7? Is refusing a rematch rude? Is "gg" rude after a win? Is ommiting "gg" rude? 

Ofcourse not. Engine-abuse and refusing to move are the only "rude" things one repeatedly comes across.

TheGrobe

Well, technically refusing to move isn't illegal....

SmyslovFan

The short answer is the obvious one:

If you have to ask if it's rude, it probably is.

Whether the rudeness is justified is another topic. Hence the +250 posts on this topic already.

brisket

I think it depends on if you should be able to win easily with what you have, then yes, but if you are promoting a pawn because it is actually part of your strategy no it is not rude.

Scottrf

I think they mean excessive amounts of pawns when you could just checkmate.

Your opponent has the option of resigning if it's that easy for you to win though.

Trapper4

Yes, I find it extremely immature and disrespectful if your opponent promotes his pawns when he can win in a few more moves. But if he has, lets say, a knight and a bishop, it would be much easier just to promote it.

Scottrf

"Yes, I find it extremely immature and disrespectful if your opponent promotes his pawns when he can win in a few more moves."

Why not resign then?

cazaron

Personally, I find that if you're in the position that they can just promote pawns to kingdom come, then you should have resigned a while ago.
It isn't rude to promote pieces- unnecessary maybe- but it is your fault for being in that position in the first place. We all need to learn how to play better, losing badly is a great way to do this. 

kdl88

I have played against some people who are vastly down in material, and refuse to resign or spam draw offers.  If I have the opportunity, I'll just promote to all knights or bishops just to extend the torture (being careful not to stalemate of course.)  Otherwise if my opponent has been normal and is just trying to salvage a game, I'll promote only enough to ensure a win.

SmyslovFan

So it seems that the discussion of whether rudeness is justified by the rudeness of others continues.

I tell my students not to resign until they are about 1600 (USCF, not chess.com) strength. They have too much to learn.

In my own practice, I often promote to a B+N and practice that mating pattern. That way I get something out of the last few moves, and my opponent does too. Unless my opponent is a strong enough player to know that endgame. In which case, they're strong enough to know when to resign too.

Scottrf

What is achieved by playing on here? It's nothing to do with learning from the winning technique because it takes none.

http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=61000890

ClavierCavalier

I hate it when they spam draw requests.  The last time this happened my opponent gave me a free knight in the first few turns, so for the next 20 or so I had to deal with a few draw offers a turn.

Any ways, about the pawn promotion, I always see it as their inability to checkmate.  Like this sort of thing:

Most like the person playing black made a stupid mistake earlier and dropped a piece, but missing the checkmate(s) seems to be far worse.