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MichielTummers
i am one Queen and five pawns ahead? is this a bug or something? how can i get my points?
blueemu

You ran out of time, so you couldn't win. Your opponent had no pieces left, so he couldn't win.

Therefore: a draw.

IronIC_U

Lemonade Stand needs to get in here immediately and vett this out with that checklist.

IronIC_U
blueemu wrote:

You ran out of time, so you couldn't win. Your opponent had no pieces left, so he couldn't win.

Therefore: a draw.

Oooohhh,

blueemu could be correct!

IronIC_U

You know, if a player does not have the necessary mating material, that player cannot win on time.

MichielTummers

i was waiting for his time to run down? his clock was ticking, not mine

blueemu

Look at the game's scoresheet. He waited until he was almost out of time and then made his move with 14 seconds left. Your weren't paying attention and your clock ran down and you lost on time.

blueemu

You missed a mate in two on move 23.

IronIC_U
blueemu wrote:

You missed a mate in two on move 23.

Omg, too funny, blueemu.

Chess is far more complex than many realize.  En Passant, Castling, etc.  Even castling, most players don’t understand the rules.

IronIC_U
MichielTummers wrote:
i am one Queen and five pawns ahead? is this a bug or something? how can i get my points?

In a clocked game, time becomes the essence, not material, not position...TIME!

MichielTummers

yes but it was a bug. I saw HIS time run out not MY time. I know that you lose when you are to move but dont have any time left, i played over 1000 games here lol grin.png 

blueemu
MichielTummers wrote:

yes but it was a bug. I saw HIS time run out not MY time. I know that you lose when you are to move but dont have any time left, i played over 1000 games here lol  

If you saw his time run out, then you were disconnected.

The time that you see on his clock (and on your clock) is NOT official. The official time is kept by the chess.com server, not by the two clients' computers. If your internet lags heavily or disconnects temporarily, it is quite possible (usual, in fact) to see HIS clock running down when in fact he has already moved and it is actually YOUR clock that is running down.

The discrepancy won't be resolved until your internet reconnects and you are suddenly informed that you have lost on time.

exploding_herring

As blueemu's post above states, this was almost certainly an issue with your internet and there's nothing chess.com can do. It is extremely frustrating however and very disappointing to see your opponent rewarded for their lousy behaviour. I'd report them for violating fair play.

MichielTummers

nah i wont report , but i was just wondering if this was a bug or not happy.png 

IronIC_U
MichielTummers wrote:

nah i wont report , but i was just wondering if this was a bug or not  

To be true, 949 has seen glitches in chess.com games.  I’ve had to reboot chess.com several times.  Since 949 plays mostly daily games, it’s not that big a deal.  In tightly clocked games, it could mean life or death.

jsaepuru
exploding_herring kirjutas:

As blueemu's post above states, this was almost certainly an issue with your internet and there's nothing chess.com can do. It is extremely frustrating however and very disappointing to see your opponent rewarded for their lousy behaviour. I'd report them for violating fair play.

Was it "unfair", "lousy", anything he´d be entitled to report?

If a player is in a difficult position and all moves seem bad, but he has some thinking time left on clock, he has some options:

  1. Early on make what seems least bad of the moves
  2. Early on resign
  3. Use most of his time left to try to find a better option or figure out which is the least bad move, then make what seems to be the least bad move
  4. Use most of his remaining time to think of a better move - then resign
  5. Figure that since he is losing in any of the three ways, let his time expire rather than make a bad move or resign

Now, 5) is certainly frustrating and disappointing for the opponent. It also is clearly legal. Is it a violation of fair play? Something the opponent is entitled to report? Ditto about 3) and 4), also frustrating for the opponent. Does a player have to demonstrate good and efficient use for all of his time?

 

About connection... if you have moved and your opponent´s time is running out, either your opponent cannot think of a good reply - or else he has lost connection, has not seen your move and thinks your time is running out.

How can, or should, you detect your opponent´s loss of connection and provide for it?

chess.com server might in principle be in a better position to detect players´ loss of connection and make some provision for it. Like, stop both clocks if one player has lost connection and cannot see that it´s his move. But even if technically feasible, would it be fair?

MichielTummers

i am always about the good of people and i think it was just a matter of a bad connection by my side instead of foul play of any kind happy.png 

IronIC_U

Send me a pm about the game, and I’ll look at.  Don’t want to announce the opponent name in these public forums.  949 has a certain level of access to the mods.

RubenHogenhout
blueemu schreef:

Look at the game's scoresheet. He waited until he was almost out of time and then made his move with 14 seconds left. Your weren't paying attention and your clock ran down and you lost on time.

 

Aha. Well  but this makes the impression it is done on purpose and then I think it is unsportive. To let your clock run down in the hope your opponent thinks you disconect and then on the very last moment make a move after all in the hope you opponent will lose on time because he thinks you are allready gone. This behavior I don t like.