The thing is, even if the draw offer is removed, chess still won't be nearly as popular as soccer or basketball, and will still struggle to attract corporate sponsorship.
Remove the draw offer !
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79Abraxas79 wrote:
Here is the latest example; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v__E_2QXlZc see 2:04.45.
One move draw !
Players may have all the reasons in the world to do this sort of thing, but Chess will never be taken seriously as a sport/competition and continue to struggle to attract corporate sponsorship until the draw offer is removed.
I think Sofia rules should become a permanent part of the FIDE rules of chess. It is long overdue. I have no confidence in FIDE ever doing it though.
It won't help. If people want to make a draw they'll either just blitz it out to a drawn endgame or even intentionally create a stalemate.
Savage wrote:
Another change I'd propose is to change the scoring system so that W=3 D=1 L=0. This wouldn't stop the scenario where two players tied for the lead in the last round agree to a quick draw, but it would reduce the number of draws dramatically.
Agreed. Also, the arbiter can take action against those players that are deliberately flaunting the rules by arranged three fold repetition etc. After a game is declared null and void or the players are fined, they will soon alter their behaviour.
Why not eliminate the intentional walk in baseball. Not fair to the cleanup hitters.How about the intentional foul in basketball.
Its a part of the chess tournament and when players go in they realize the wins loses draws to obtaina favorable outcome.
79Abraxas79 wrote:
Here is the latest example; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v__E_2QXlZc see 2:04.45.
One move draw !
Players may have all the reasons in the world to do this sort of thing, but Chess will never be taken seriously as a sport/competition and continue to struggle to attract corporate sponsorship until the draw offer is removed.
I think Sofia rules should become a permanent part of the FIDE rules of chess. It is long overdue. I have no confidence in FIDE ever doing it though.
When GMs agree to draw, he games are theoretical draws. Even if they play them out they will be draws.
If the game is drawn, stop the clocks for a minute to reset the pieces, then restart with the remaining time. Keep restarting the game till resignation, checkmate, or someone flags.
How about a certain number of moves before a draw offer is permissable? I too think a one move draw is assanine. Some very weird rules in tounrament chess though. Like no repeat positions... Saw that last week in the Sinquefield Cup. Move was made, opponet replies, best(and only move really) was to move a bishop back to the same spot after said reply, for some reason not allowed so draw offered and accepted... both players had a more than enough assets to continue. Weird. Guess I need to bone up on tournament rules. They seem to differ greatly from general chess rules.
Let's make it happen!
Anybody remember when players tanked in Olympics? They have been sanctioned. What will FIDE do about this?
sisu wrote:
I like what Boris Gelfand has to say about the sponsorship/recognition of chess. It's not for everybody. It would be nice to have sponsorship, but I'd prefer that the rules are not tinkered with, they are very nice right now. Better to work on their marketing!
That is a little hypocritical for someone who makes a living from chess. If you are at a tournament where the prizes are just from the entry fees and you paid yours, sure draw in one move. If a company or someone is subsidizing your chess, you need to play. Why should a third party pay you to show up and not play? Go do that in a coffee house and see if it still makes sense to you.
A really good idea was suggested by Yasser Seirawan to help. When someone offers a draw to their opponent, the opponent can
1) Take the draw. Ok, no problem.
2) Decline the draw and play on.
3) Switch sides and play on!
Brilliant!
It is not a real solution because the worst draw offers we are trying to fix are a result of both sides, not one.
Savage hat geschrieben:
Another change I'd propose is to change the scoring system so that W=3 D=1 L=0. This wouldn't stop the scenario where two players tied for the lead in the last round agree to a quick draw, but it would reduce the number of draws dramatically.
Maybe W=2.5 D=1 L=0, since a draw is sometimes a logical conclusion of a good game.
People just need to accept that draws are part of the game.
I'm not convinced that the 3 points for a win does anything. The Sinquefield Cup scored normally and had only 50% draws, less than Bilbao 2012 which had football scoring.
Most of these ideas (not the 3 for a win but removing draw offers etc) completely alter the concept of the game for a scenario (early draw agreements) which very rarely happens in reality. What's more, they don't achieve anything, top players can play to a repetition or trade off material quite easily. If they thought there was a win they would go for it, but it's not always that simple.
The Sinquefield Cup had 4 fighting players. The GM draw is not done by everyone. Maybe they should just blacklist players who do it and make them play in open tournaments with entry fees.
PhoenixTTD wrote:
The Sinquefield Cup had 4 fighting players. The GM draw is not done by everyone. Maybe they should just blacklist players who do it and make them play in open tournaments with entry fees.
Well, what they shouldn't do is change the rules of chess.
So then the only way to be a draw is stalemate or 3 repitions...
Let's make it happen!
Here is the latest example; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v__E_2QXlZc see 2:04.45.
One move draw !
Players may have all the reasons in the world to do this sort of thing, but Chess will never be taken seriously as a sport/competition and continue to struggle to attract corporate sponsorship until the draw offer is removed.
I think Sofia rules should become a permanent part of the FIDE rules of chess. It is long overdue. I have no confidence in FIDE ever doing it though.