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Some misconceptions about lag that I've noticed many forum posters repeating

speeduptheserver

1. Fact: Chess.com adds time to the clocks of players it perceives as having a lag disadvantage

Source: https://support.chess.com/article/423-why-did-the-clock-times-suddenly-change-the-clocks-seem-broken

(thanks to Martin for providing the link)

Myth: "It's just your internet connection" Many trolls here just compulsively repeat this nonsense, and I got tired of giving them the same factual refutation so this thread will serve as reference from now on.

Fact: My Ookla speed test is crazy fast, but that doesn't really matter because I've WON plenty of games because my opponent was lagging. That's not chess, it's wheel of fortune. Might as well just have a random spinner appear with "you won" or "you lost" instead and save the 3 minutes or whatever we'd waste having a fake game.

Therefore: Trolls trying to shame me and others with "get a faster internet" or "I'm in West Virginia the capital of Internet slowness so if I win it must be my extraordinary anti-lag chess prowess" are just wasting everyone's time, including their own.

Those of you who do agree with me and have posted many unheeded lag complaints DO NOT DESPAIR!!!! We are winning this difficult battle and I urge patience and compassion. Just keep it factual and assume good faith, not everyone who doubts us is a troll but we must call a spade a spade when necessary.

Yurinclez
speeduptheserver wrote:

1. Fact: Chess.com adds time to the clocks of players it perceives as having a lag disadvantage

Source: https://support.chess.com/article/423-why-did-the-clock-times-suddenly-change-the-clocks-seem-broken

(thanks to Martin for providing the link)

Myth: "It's just your internet connection" Many trolls here just compulsively repeat this nonsense, and I got tired of giving them the same factual refutation so this thread will serve as reference from now on.

Fact: My Ookla speed test is crazy fast, but that doesn't really matter because I've WON plenty of games because my opponent was lagging. That's not chess, it's wheel of fortune. Might as well just have a random spinner appear with "you won" or "you lost" instead and save the 3 minutes or whatever we'd waste having a fake game.

Therefore: Trolls trying to shame me and others with "get a faster internet" or "I'm in West Virginia the capital of Internet slowness so if I win it must be my extraordinary anti-lag chess prowess" are just wasting everyone's time, including their own.

Those of you who do agree with me and have posted many unheeded lag complaints DO NOT DESPAIR!!!! We are winning this difficult battle and I urge patience and compassion. Just keep it factual and assume good faith, not everyone who doubts us is a troll but we must call a spade a spade when necessary.

 

i remember a month ago, i had a connection problem but that only occurred in Live. when i browsed forums and other websites, my connection was fast. i don't know why (i have said this in some other threads and my profile's visitor notes)

i am so bad at technology... i am just a hermit who lives in seclusion in a cave in the middle of forest. when i had such issues, all i did was waiting for everything to get fixed.

i can't tell who is right or wrong when it comes down to such issues

speeduptheserver

Indonesia is a beautiful place, well worth the occasional technological lapses.

Khallyx

Jesus Christ, you just keep spamming the forums with this nonsense. Again, without providing ANY technical insight/complaints. People know that the lag is compensated, so they correctly assume your connection to the servers may be at fault. It doesn't matter how "fast" you think your internet connection is; the fact that you keep bringing that up displays a complete lack of knowledge of Internet protocols and how ISPs handle data connections. There are dozens of other factors besides raw speed of transfer to benchmarking servers.
The link you provided is proof that the system is working; you are only charged for the time you spent thinking, and compensation is based on timestamp data - it works just fine.

So what exactly is your problem?

 

speeduptheserver
Khallyx wrote:

Jesus Christ, you just keep spamming the forums with this nonsense. Again, without providing ANY technical insight/complaints. People know that the lag is compensated, so they correctly assume your connection to the servers may be at fault. It doesn't matter how "fast" you think your internet connection is; the fact that you keep bringing that up displays a complete lack of knowledge of Internet protocols and how ISPs handle data connections. There are dozens of other factors besides raw speed of transfer to benchmarking servers.
The link you provided is proof that the system is working; you are only charged for the time you spent thinking, and compensation is based on timestamp data - it works just fine.

So what exactly is your problem?

 

What you've just written is a complete contradiction. If you know that the lag is compensated, then why do you keep saying "it's your internet connection"?

Khallyx
speeduptheserver wrote:
Khallyx wrote:

Jesus Christ, you just keep spamming the forums with this nonsense. Again, without providing ANY technical insight/complaints. People know that the lag is compensated, so they correctly assume your connection to the servers may be at fault. It doesn't matter how "fast" you think your internet connection is; the fact that you keep bringing that up displays a complete lack of knowledge of Internet protocols and how ISPs handle data connections. There are dozens of other factors besides raw speed of transfer to benchmarking servers.
The link you provided is proof that the system is working; you are only charged for the time you spent thinking, and compensation is based on timestamp data - it works just fine.

So what exactly is your problem?

 

What you've just written is a complete contradiction. If you know that the lag is compensated, then why do you keep saying "it's your internet connection"?

Because if the information isn't reaching your computer past its supposed latency, they obviously won't take that into account. So things like packet loss can't, won't and shouldn't be compensated for.

I can't help but notice you ignored my question and proceeded to deflect instead, too.

 

Soniasthetics

it's so funny seeing people post about this. its such a simple concept.

Chess.com spends a lot of money on its servers. Okay? Chess.com does not have garbage servers, their servers are pretty good, and i've never experienced an issue with them before. 

If you are seeing weird problems on live like like time being added on to ur opponents clock etc, it's because of YOUR server taking time to communicate with chess.coms servers. it's as simple as that. Why would it take time for information to get across from your device to chess.coms servers? There are a few reasons. Your device being slow, your Internet speeds being slow, which result in the information u send from ur device to get to chess.coms servers longer, hence then compensation occurs which is explained in that link u posted. 

 

now RARELY, it might be that the slow information may be the cause from chess.coms side, but its usually from the users side, which is why people will tell u to get "better internet". It's not a troll, it's genuine advice that will help. 

back when i was a kid my family had a terrible internet plan with an ISP, very little data usage, low download rate etc, and that resulted in me experience lag. Now a days I have a better plan, where i have unlimited data, and I have relatively quick download speed, hence i almost never have an issue on chess.com live. 

It's as simple as that. I know you want to put the blame on the sites servers, but they are running just fine most of the time. So if it's not chess.coms servers that are the issue, then the issue is coming from YOUR end.

it's not complicated

 

speeduptheserver

Okay I'll post this for the trillion and 1st time for those who refuse to read it:

Fact: My Ookla speed test is crazy fast, but that doesn't really matter because I've WON plenty of games because my opponent was lagging. That's not chess, it's wheel of fortune. Might as well just have a random spinner appear with "you won" or "you lost" instead and save the 3 minutes or whatever we'd waste having a fake game.

Khallyx
speeduptheserver wrote:

Okay I'll post this for the trillion and 1st time for those who refuse to read it:

Fact: My Ookla speed test is crazy fast, but that doesn't really matter because I've WON plenty of games because my opponent was lagging. That's not chess, it's wheel of fortune. Might as well just have a random spinner appear with "you won" or "you lost" instead and save the 3 minutes or whatever we'd waste having a fake game.

Nice of you to ignore our replies. You just want to scream to the wind. You've consistently failed to reply to a single one of my points, obviously because you have nothing worthwhile to say. Can you just stop spamming the forums now?

 

shadowarcher28
Khallyx wrote:

Jesus Christ, you just keep spamming the forums with this nonsense. Again, without providing ANY technical insight/complaints. People know that the lag is compensated, so they correctly assume your connection to the servers may be at fault. It doesn't matter how "fast" you think your internet connection is; the fact that you keep bringing that up displays a complete lack of knowledge of Internet protocols and how ISPs handle data connections. There are dozens of other factors besides raw speed of transfer to benchmarking servers.
The link you provided is proof that the system is working; you are only charged for the time you spent thinking, and compensation is based on timestamp data - it works just fine.

So what exactly is your problem?

 

bruh they are not losing of lag they are winning of lag and they are annoyed of it. 

Khallyx
shadowarcher28 wrote:

bruh they are not losing of lag they are winning of lag and they are annoyed of it. 

No, he's just complaining for the sake of complaining. How would he even know if he won because of "lag"? Also, what does your reply have to do with anything that I said?

 

JustARandomPatzer

I am pressing x for doubt

Yurinclez

when i had connection problem and lag, how do i tell if its really my isp's fault or hardware issue or chess.com's server? the reason i think its strange because it only happened in Live. i had no problems browsing and posting in the forums and other sites. does lag during live on this site only occurs depends on a client's location? or is it completely the site's server? but when it happened to me, my opponents didn't experience that

CongoratsUlost2me

I never had a connection problem and lags these guys make this thing a big issue.

Soniasthetics
speeduptheserver wrote:

Okay I'll post this for the trillion and 1st time for those who refuse to read it:

Fact: My Ookla speed test is crazy fast, but that doesn't really matter because I've WON plenty of games because my opponent was lagging. That's not chess, it's wheel of fortune. Might as well just have a random spinner appear with "you won" or "you lost" instead and save the 3 minutes or whatever we'd waste having a fake game.

It's the same concept, it doesn't change just because YOU haven't suffered from lag.

Your opponents have suffered from lag because of problems from their end, whether it be a combination of them being far away from the servers and their internet speeds being slow, or something else like that. 

It's not chess.coms fault someone has bad internet. Also I rarely win games because my opponents lagging, so i feel like ur just exaggerating.

 

speeduptheserver

If your opponent has lag, that's probably why you won!

Soniasthetics
speeduptheserver wrote:

If your opponent has lag, that's probably why you won!

WHat makes u think u won BECAUSE ur opponent is lagging? what if u just won cuz u outplayed them.

 

this is such a dumb argument.