Team Carlsen or Team Niemann

Haha, well, much of that was CYA rhetoric. For example "my actions have sent a very clear message, and that message is I don't want to play Hans" lol, yeah, sure, that was the clear message.

I'm sure he had lawyers help him type that up... in any case, that would only vindicate his press release, not his leaving the tournament, especially since it's reasonable to believe Carlsen didn't know anything about it at the time... I mean, not even chess.com knew at the time (otherwise they would have locked him out of his account earlier, and by the way it's still not closed for cheating so... chess.com being pretty opaque about that).

If carleson withdrew from the tournament before he lost to Hans, I'd agree more.

But honestly, Magnus lost Hans fair and square while he had the white pieces. His bruised ego couldn't handle it. So went on to try and destroy this teenagers career (19).

Shame on Magnus. 

Considering the facts, that's far from being the most likely.

You do not know that Carlsen lost "fair and square" to Niemann. I and many others believe he did not.

Interesting headline facts.

• Niemann scored 2.5/3 against three players with an average rating of 2804 in the first three rounds of Sinquefield (that's a 3081 performance). Very unusual - 2800s only lose rare games against their peers, never mind a less than stellar GM.
• After a 15-minute delay was added, Niemann scored 40% without another win, a 2695 performance. Creditable.
• That is a 386-point difference in performance. Small samples, but interesting given the number of draws in such competitions (this reduces the variance a lot).
• By a curious coincidence (ahem), in19 tournaments over a 2-year period, Niemann had a better performance in every single one of the 10 tournaments with live relay than in every single one of the 9 tournaments with no live relay.
• The difference in performance between tournaments with live relay and without averaged about 300 points

Spot a pattern anyone? (Don't worry, I don't expect anyone who would call themselves part of Team KnownCheater to manage this)

It's team ShowMeTheEvidence. 

Even if Hans cheated every single game in his career except the Sinquefield Cup, it would still make the win legit. 

The post you responded to includes data from the Sinquefield cup.

Also, FIDE don't need evidence of each and every case of cheating to ban someone. If it's proven that he has cheated in other OTB tournaments, it's unlikely that he'll be invited to play at other top tournaments in the future. 

It's less clear what the impact of evidence of further cheating in online Chess would have on Niemann's career.

@CrusaderKing1 is an example of someone who says "unpopular things on purpose, mostly to get attention".

Actually, what framing this as Niemann vs. Carlsen misses is that FIDE has stated players with ratings higher than Niemann have also been caught cheating online. So far, online play has been completely separate from OTB play, so FIDE's policy has been to ignore it. 

However, more tournaments are going online or hybrid, so FIDE is going to have to make a decision. Assuming Niemann has never cheated OTB, which given the logistics of cheating OTB, is kind of believable, it is going to be interesting how they cut the line between what is acceptable online cheating and what is unacceptable online cheating. 

(And just in case you guys want to bring it up, the "broadcast" tournaments includes online and hybrid tournaments.) 

Insane attitude. Like claiming Ben Johnson injected himself with steroids before every race but not before the Olympic final, so you are on "Team Johnson".

I have emboldened part of my quoted post.

I'm not surprised at your take here, I mean, you wear sunglasses *and* catch big fish.  Where's your motorcycle?  Behind the fish, I bet.

Team Carlsen

This is a poor analogy, because steroids allow you to obtain muscles and keep that you cannot build on your own, even after you stop using steroids.   Studying using an engine is basically what everyone does and does not confer you an advantage over anyone else in a legit game. 

A better analogy would be baseball player who had in the past used a gimmicked bat that allowed the ball to travel farther, and disallowing his latest home run despite everyone examining the bat and concluding it was a normal bat. 

I live in the Socialist Republic of Pennsylvania, and we struggle mightily to stay ahead of you as the highest gas-tax state in the Union.  I confess, you are a formidable opponent. 

We also might take on the challenge. 5.59 a gallon here today in Oregon. If all goes well we expect to hit 6 bucks by election day. 

I know it well! My two vehicles are a 2500 HD with a 6.6 and a 427 convertible with an LS7. Both take 93 and during the summer we were just over $6 a gallon. The pickup was tickling $200 per tank full. I want to say the worst was $196.

I would be very disappointed if our supremely experienced corrupt politicians, who've been perfecting their craft since the original 13 colonies, could possibly be challenged by those from such a young and inexperienced state as Oregon. Please petition your scumbags to remember their place.

An American's idea of "high" gas/petrol prices is very different to a Briton's.

I wonder what the true price of gasoline would be if the cost to the environment were fully accounted for.

Depends if you value biocentrism over human flourishing.

I am on Team Niemann. If you go to his chess.com account, @HansOnTwitch, you can see he hasn't played for so long, sadly. but I am on team Niemann.