The 9...h5!? English Attack

  • #41

    I still like white in this game (# 40) after 16.Bf1, 16.Rda1 just doesn't feel right.

    My Houdini suggests 16.Nd2, which is almost surely a positional lemon.

  • #42
    pfren wrote:

    I still like white in this game (# 40) after 16.Bf1, 16.Rda1 just doesn't feel right.

    My Houdini suggests 16.Nd2, which is almost surely a positional lemon.

    16. Bf1 Nf8 and I'm wondering where white's big advantage is. You're more than welcome to be the first centaur to actually WIN as white in this variation (Nbd7 followed by Rc8). As I said, the line has never lost for black because computers are not stressed like humans are over what appears to be a cramped position. If your opponent has a decent computer and takes the time to analyze each move overnight, you're not going to win this. No centaur ever has.

  • #43

    Ummm, I do like white's position, and I do not care if it is objectively equal. Equal is very different from dead drawn.

    Sure, it's much more practical to play this OTB than in correspondence, but honestly, I wouldn't mind at all. White's position is so safe, that he can soundly probe Black's position for many moves.

    Right now I am playing as Black a game against a strong Dutch correspondence player. It's a Spanish Breyer, where black is rock solid, but slightly cramped. Engines give it as flat equal, but my chess instict says that Black is very mildly, but quite obviously worse.

    I did not offer him a draw, not because I think I have any winning chances, but simply because I believe offering a draw in a REALLY strong CC player in such a position is somewhat insultive. I prefer proving equality OTB rather than getting it the easy way.

    In the QGD game I posted before, white has absolutely nothing to attack, or probe. NOTHING. Black is absolutely safe, factly he deos not even have to display some sort of accuracy to draw. This is very, very different from the Najdorf position in mind- don't you agree?

  • #44

    The only difference is the concept that position in your game has less opportunity for black to accidentally input the wrong move and end up losing on the spot. In the Nbd7 Rc8 line, one can either offer the early draw, or HOPE that black inputs the wrong move in the next 40 tries. I don't like to play that way. I like to win by busting the line itself. In this case, black is busting white's Qf3 try into a wasted draw. Consider some ICCF games in the line:





  • #45

    I am aware of all three of these games, and none of them convinced me.

  • #46

    Understood, but also understand that white hasn't convinced me. There's no example of white winning in a high level centaur game, whereas I've got a handful of examples where even as high rated as 2637 ICCF couldn't get the job done. I don't have to prove black can draw this. The onus is on white to prove the line is even worth playing. So far nothing yet for white.

  • #47
    pfren wrote:
    blasterdragon wrote:

    what about?

    Ah, yes. This looks crushing. I think white will just resign... 

    Have you ever thought giving up chess and being involved in something you can eventually understand?

    your a bastard you know that right

  • #48
    FirebrandX wrote:
    blasterdragon wrote:
    pfren wrote:
    blasterdragon wrote:

    wait can't black just play...

    Sure he can! After 10.Bxe7 Qxe7 11.f3(h3) Nf6 12.0-0-0, he has almost achieved already to lose the d6 pawn for nothing.

    what about? (9. Bg5 f6)

    Your g4 knight is then stuck out of place when it should be defending on f6. Now white just plays Bh4 and gets a bonus option of planting a knight on d5 along with other moves like 0-0-0 or f3. Black is likely going to lose that game.

    in no way is black losing i think you overestimate whites position

  • #49

    Or someone is overestimating his understanding abilities- whatever comes second.

  • #50
    blasterdragon wrote:
    FirebrandX wrote:
    blasterdragon wrote:
    pfren wrote:
    blasterdragon wrote:

    wait can't black just play...

    Sure he can! After 10.Bxe7 Qxe7 11.f3(h3) Nf6 12.0-0-0, he has almost achieved already to lose the d6 pawn for nothing.

    what about? (9. Bg5 f6)

    Your g4 knight is then stuck out of place when it should be defending on f6. Now white just plays Bh4 and gets a bonus option of planting a knight on d5 along with other moves like 0-0-0 or f3. Black is likely going to lose that game.

    in no way is black losing i think you overestimate whites position

    Black is strategically losing, not tactically losing (at least not yet). Just consider a natural move for black like 10...Nc6 and look at the following position after 11. f3 Nh6 12.Bf2:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    That is an absolute dream position for white. Just look at the pawn structure and weaknesses black has compared to white's. It looks like a patzer played black there.

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