Levon should be the best since he has a high rating in complicated posistions and that should translate into him being super amazing at simple posistions
the problem with chess is its incosistency
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TitanCG wrote:
People are different.
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but if your good at complicated posistions you should be good at simple ones
so if aronian adopted magnus style of play he could succeed him
its pretty logical, is it not
superking500 wrote:
TitanCG wrote:
People are different.
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but if your good at complicated posistions you should be good at simple ones
so if aronian adopted magnus style of play he could succeed him
its pretty logical, is it not
Not necessarily. Also, complicated is arbitrary. I showed a guy a game I was playing at a club and mentioned how the position was somewhat complicated earlier. The position I showed was a major piece endgame where I had the queenside majority and he had kingside, and his e-pawn was advanced to e5 and I had an excellent chance of creating (and successfully did so) a passed d-pawn (pawns were on c5 and d5) as it was a candidate pawn, and he said, "looks complicated now!"
By "complicated" I think most chess authors and commentators mean a position with lots of forced variations where you can capture so many ways wide and deep in the analysis tree whereas a "simple" position is one with very few if any forcing variations and playing by positional understanding instead of calculation takes place.
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:
superking500 wrote:
TitanCG wrote:
People are different.
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but if your good at complicated posistions you should be good at simple ones
so if aronian adopted magnus style of play he could succeed him
its pretty logical, is it not
Not necessarily. Also, complicated is arbitrary. I showed a guy a game I was playing at a club and mentioned how the position was somewhat complicated earlier. The position I showed was a major piece endgame where I had the queenside majority and he had kingside, and his e-pawn was advanced to e5 and I had an excellent chance of creating (and successfully did so) a passed d-pawn (pawns were on c5 and d5) as it was a candidate pawn, and he said, "looks complicated now!"
By "complicated" I think most chess authors and commentators mean a position with lots of forced variations where you can capture so many ways wide and deep in the analysis tree whereas a "simple" position is one with very few if any forcing variations and playing by positional understanding instead of calculation takes place.
so why does magnus do better in easier posistions to play then aronian even though aronian tends to play more complicated games... even using your definitions for it
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Mersaphe wrote:
You don't really understand what it's like playing chess at the very top level. As a result you're over-simplifying everything into complex vs simple positions, and tactical vs positional players. These clear distinctions do not exist
well im a beginner, i just stared...but people on chessbomb were saying aronian plays more complex posistions then carlsen, so wouldnt that mean aronian would be superior to carlsen if he played simple posistional style carlsen-like
superking500 wrote:
so why does magnus do better in easier posistions to play then aronian even though aronian tends to play more complicated games... even using your definitions for it
Carlsen is just a beast who plays for a win in almost any position against anyone. If Carlsen grinds out an endgame against Leko that looks like a dead draw, maybe it isn't a dead draw.
If that equal looking position was an easy draw, he wouldn't have won against so many top GM's
besides, carlsen scores fine against anyone in any position. It's not like we've seen Aronian constantly beating him in complicated positions
You've been rehashing your "Carlsen likes simple positions, Aronian complicated ones" over-simplifying mantra in a few threads now, under various covers.
As you may have noticed, this does not give you any productive feedback, and makes other people look at you strangely. It has not been hailed as a particularly original or striking idea, and will not be.
But of course, you can keep doing it and expect different results. The problem with you, OP, is your consistency.
interesting
Simple positions are actually harder to play.
Less pieces means more space, which means more good looking moves. When there are a lot of pieces on the board generally most variations are forced. Being a master of the endgame and simple positions shows a deeper understanding of the game.
superking500 wrote:
for example
how is someone like levon aronian really strong at complex middlegames and complicated posistions but isn't as strong as someone like Magnus in simple posistions
it just doesn't make sense
NO, NOT THIS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EvanSemenoff wrote:
Simple positions are actually harder to play.
Less pieces means more space, which means more good looking moves. When there are a lot of pieces on the board generally most variations are forced. Being a master of the endgame and simple positions shows a deeper understanding of the game.
but levon isn't as strong as magnus in these posistions
If chess is solved so that it all makes sense, few would be interested in it.
i thought Levon was strong in endgames like Magnus
On the other hand, the OP seems to be showing a relentless consistency... 
chessmicky wrote:
It's kind of idiotic for weaker players (including me) to try and make these silly distinctions between "simple" and "complex" positions. All the positions they play are too complex for us. The "simple" positions Magnus plays so well require a tremendous feel for the position and deep understanding of the structure. Simple doesn't mean easy. If these positions were easy, other top players would play then as well as Magnus
why doesn't Levon adopt Magnus style..wouldn't he get the same results
Congratulations! You have just refuted yourself.
for example
how is someone like levon aronian really strong at complex middlegames and complicated posistions but isn't as strong as someone like Magnus in simple posistions
it just doesn't make sense