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  • #1

    On my previsious topic i gave you my schedule and most of you said its not worth it and ill be around 1500 - 1700.How can i improve just by 150 - 300 points in two years if i spend 1 year studying tactics from programs,books,sites...spending each day 2 hours on them.At the end of the year i will have approximately over 6 000 tactics done (lots of them are repeated so i can recognise them fast).In my second year i will spend over 2 months studying middlegame from books,and then 1,5 months doing strategic problems from chessimo.In 1,5 month i will solve over 3,000 problems.The same goes for the endgame 2 months from books and then 1,5 doing its problems.For 2 years i spend no less than 2 hours studying chess and at the end of the two years i will have over 1000 games of mine played each day anylised (each day).Now you tell me,you still think im gonna increase from 1400 to 1500?If so then how did people with 2100 now get to there?6 hours each day for 15 years by your calculations

  • #2

    I've gotten a rating 1400+ ( i think its higher i've started playign rated games this month )  in 8 months just playing , doing tactical puzzles ( on chesstempo.com on difficulty : hard )   reading capablanca chess fundamentals and studying master games . If your gonna study tactics don't guess the anwser but try to visualise the whole line. If your gonna get books  try to choose your level books ( Not like I did , I bought kotov think like a grandmaster and had a pain reading it ). Don't forget to study master games if you don't know to study them the way I do is play the 10-15 moves and then try guess blacks and whites move. And play long games against stronger players because they will punish you for your mistakes and next time you will hopefully won't do same mistake twice. By playing long games ( 30min or more ) Try to find candidate moves and analyse them look at yours opponents strongest move against your candidate move. About openings learn 1 for white and 2 defences for black against d4 and e4

  • #3

    You want to study 2 hours each day with your elaborate schedule system...

    But you forget, that you need talent for chess and you need to play a thousands of games against other humans.

    Theory is worth nothing when you dont have enough talent AND a lot of practical experience...

  • #4

    Don't sweat all of these guys harping on talent. Skill can be learned. Most chess players have to work at it. Some guys are born with 18" biceps, some guys have to lift weights to get them, but the end result is the same.Bobby Fischer was a workaholic and he was ridiculously talented. That is what it takes to be the best.

    The real trick is learning how to teach yourself. The most crucial thing is to learn where you are going wrong. Don't focus on what you are doing right so much.Trying to give a boat more horsepower that will sink, won't get you to where you want to go, even if it is faster.

    Once you eliminate your weaknesses, your strengths will be easily enhanced. It will almost seem like everything falls into place without much effort. The other crucial facet is learning how to calculate. I realize that may seem like the last thing you need as a fundamental. It is basically the only fundamental that computer programs use to beat us. If you can see the best series of moves, by being able to look at a position, you will be well on your way to playing like a master, regardless of what your opponent plays. Good luck.

  • #5

    P.S.

    Play longer length of games and play good moves. Don't just start pushing pieces. The world championships take about probably 6 hrs per game and 20 games to a match.

  • #6
    nameno1had wrote:

    Don't sweat all of these guys harping on talent. Skill can be learned. Most chess players have to work at it. Some guys are born with 18" biceps, some guys have to lift weights to get them, but the end result is the same.Bobby Fischer was a workaholic and he was ridiculously talented. That is what it takes to be the best.

    The real trick is learning how to teach yourself. The most crucial thing is to learn where you are going wrong. Don't focus on what you are doing right so much.Trying to give a boat more horsepower that will sink, won't get you to where you want to go, even if it is faster.

    Once you eliminate your weaknesses, your strengths will be easily enhanced. It will almost seem like everything falls into place without much effort. The other crucial facet is learning how to calculate. I realize that may seem like the last thing you need as a fundamental. It is basically the only fundamental that computer programs use to beat us. If you can see the best series of moves, by being able to look at a position, you will be well on your way to playing like a master, regardless of what your opponent plays. Good luck.

    You seriously compare bodybuilding with chess??? oh my god...which talent do you need for bodybuidling?!?

    In fact you can reach some kind of good level with hard work, but you never reach master level if you dont have enough talent...

  • #7

    Some players have reached superGM status with a lot of work and no talent (say Gelfand), while some others with a lot of talent and no work (say Svidler). There are no rules.

  • #8
    Dark_Falcon wrote:
    nameno1had wrote:

    Don't sweat all of these guys harping on talent. Skill can be learned. Most chess players have to work at it. Some guys are born with 18" biceps, some guys have to lift weights to get them, but the end result is the same.Bobby Fischer was a workaholic and he was ridiculously talented. That is what it takes to be the best.

    The real trick is learning how to teach yourself. The most crucial thing is to learn where you are going wrong. Don't focus on what you are doing right so much.Trying to give a boat more horsepower that will sink, won't get you to where you want to go, even if it is faster.

    Once you eliminate your weaknesses, your strengths will be easily enhanced. It will almost seem like everything falls into place without much effort. The other crucial facet is learning how to calculate. I realize that may seem like the last thing you need as a fundamental. It is basically the only fundamental that computer programs use to beat us. If you can see the best series of moves, by being able to look at a position, you will be well on your way to playing like a master, regardless of what your opponent plays. Good luck.

    You seriously compare bodybuilding with chess??? oh my god...which talent do you need for bodybuidling?!?

    In fact you can reach some kind of good level with hard work, but you never reach master level if you dont have enough talent...

    Do you get your talent from your genes?

  • #9
    Dark_Falcon wrote:
     but you never reach master level if you dont have enough talent...

    The widespread belief (backed up by a century of practice) is that master level is within the reach of everyone, no matter how "untalented". Of course the amount of work needed will vary a lot depending on individual talent, but if you try hard enough you will archieve it. 

  • #10
    bresando wrote:
    Dark_Falcon wrote:
     but you never reach master level if you dont have enough talent...

    The widespread belief (backed up by a century of practice) is that master level is within the reach of everyone, no matter how "untalented". Of course the amount of work needed will vary a lot depending on individual talent, but if you try hard enough you will archieve it. 

    It is not a belief.  It is a fact.  Computers have automated the building of the opening tree.  You can select a set of openings and practice with software [Chess Openings Wizard (Book Up)], ChessBase 5 million games database and playing lots of games.  What used to take 8-10 years to reach master level because you had to build the opening tree yourself by hand.  With computers automating the building of the opening tree you can reach master level within 2-3 years.   

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