# WAht is the problem in this picture?

verylate,

White could have underpromoted at some stage of the the game. And since White's f2-pawn is missing, the the White king could have moved e1-f2-g1. Black;s knights could have captured the original f1-bishop, which may be the reason the f1 square appears to be vacant.

verylate wrote:

how did the Bb5 get to b5 to call check, when there are white pawns on e2 and g2?

good question. a pawn underpromoted to a bishop after capturing onto the right promotion square.

Barefoot_Player wrote:

Ok, now I see Black's last rank. Thanks for pointing that out! =)

But if the only problem with the image is that the board is upside-down, then I don't see the problem. Since the board is symmetrical, then it can't be upside-down. The notation may be off. And if that;'s the case, then simply erase it and the problem disappears.

Is there another problem with the image?

It is probably some legal, but stupid, position where the board is NOT upside down and it is whites turn while he is trying to move the black piece.  I would have to see if it is a legal position but there are puzzles where the pieces are "going the wrong way" which doesnt happen naturally but are still legal.

catdogorb wrote:

Holy crap.

A better game:

Find what's wrong with (nearly) every one of the responses on the first page.

Im sure that excludes my correct response

catdogorb wrote:

Anyway, that it appears black isn't removing check was my first guess. Noticing e2 and g2 pawns with the LSB developed is a bit better of an answer, even if you could compose such a position to show it's legal.

The person moving the knight had just moved his (white) bishop to deliver check and is making another turn with blacks knight.  The board is "upside down" in the sense that the pieces all look like they're going in the opposite direction, but the board is actually correct and the person holding the knight is playing white.

Checkers,

"It is probably some legal, but stupid, position where the board is NOT upside down and it is whites turn while he is trying to move the black piece. "

You should see some of the forums, where both sides have pieces en prise, sometimes for several moves. It looks like both players forgot to capture pieces.

And pieces can move backwards. It's all legal and even good at times to move a piece to closer to which it began.

Consider a case where White starts off a game with his king on e1. Then he castles to provide cover for his monarch. Then  towards the endgame, he brings out his king via f1, e1, and d2. Now the question is, did White move his king "backwards"?

verylate is right, there is no way for white bishop on b5 to appear there by underpromotion.
Barefoot_Player wrote:

Checkers,

"It is probably some legal, but stupid, position where the board is NOT upside down and it is whites turn while he is trying to move the black piece. "

You should see some of the forums, where both sides have pieces en prise, sometimes for several moves. It looks like both players forgot to capture pieces.

And pieces can move backwards. It's all legal and even good at times to move a piece to closer to which it began.

Consider a case where White starts off a game with his king on e1. Then he castles to provide cover for his monarch. Then  towards the endgame, he brings out his king via f1, e1, and d2. Now the question is, did White move his king "backwards"?

Pawns cant move backwards.  What i mean is that the 4 white pawns on the 7th rank are about to queen.  They started on the 2nd rank, moved in a stupid coordinated matter to create the position, and ended up on the 7th rank where (almost) all can queen now.  Black did the same thing to get his pawns from the 7th rank to the 2nd rank.

This is the nonsense that im talking about.  Thanks to catdogorb for making this 6 weeks ago.  Shamelessly stolen from this thread: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/more-puzzles/tricky-mate-in-1

Checker, you keep insisting the board is somehow upside-down - lol!

The players may simply swap pieces before each game, without turning the board 180 degrees.

And pawns are not pieces. I never said anything about pawns. You did.

LOL cat!

I've seen the board turned 90 degrees in scholastic tournaments, and even among adults. It happens in adult games when none of the players are paying attention while setting up the boards. Usually one or both players feel that there is something wrong, but don't know what it is.

Barefoot_Player wrote:

Checker, you keep insisting the board is somehow upside-down - lol!

The players may simply swap pieces before each game, without turning the board 180 degrees.

And pawns are not pieces. I never said anything about pawns. You did.

a pawn is not a piece huh.  I guess thats whats wrong with this picture then

I think you all are overanalysing this way too much.

Some guy in India who doesn't know much about chess but sells chess stuff set up a board with some pieces. He held a peice like he was going to move it and another guy from the office who doesn't play chess at all took some photos for use on the website. When they got some pictures that looked kind of ok they packed it away without giving it another thought and went back to answering emails, making phone calls to carvers and dealing with customers. Nothing more.

The White Bishop on b5 is checking Black's King, but since he could only have reached b5 by moving along the a4-e8 diagonal, he could NOT have legally gotten to b5 without White already being in check or Black's previous move being illegal and moving the King into check.

Otherwise, if Black is picking up the Knight from e5 to move it to c6, there's nothing wrong with the move.  Note that if no one spots the illegal move(s) and legal moves are played for 10 moves or if the score keeping is so bad the TD/Arbiter and players can't reestablish the move order, the game continues on as if all moves were legal!