Wesley So closed his account again!

camter

You are only saying what most people today say.

Ans because of that, the battle is going to be won by people who actuall believe in something.

The pragmatists will compromise themselves into extinction.

Preggo_Basashi
camter wrote:

You are only saying what most people today say.

Ans because of that, the battle is going to be won by people who actuall believe in something.

The pragmatists will compromise themselves into extinction.

One wonders, then, how such pragmatists came into power in the first place.

All the power in the world was formerly held by true believers.

It seems, at least to some extent, that irrational beliefs are self destructive. A business that invests poorly will fail, after all, regardless of how strong their convictions are.

camter

The question so asked often in the streets of Belfast by a gang on a loner  goes thus:

"Are you a Billy or a Dan, or an old tin can?"

The answer given or not given has consequences.

Belief is essential to the human being. Without it, what governs his actions? 

Preggo_Basashi

I guess it comes down to the fact that we're too flawed.

Tribalism is the way of animals, and we're too rational to commit ourselves solely to that.

Something like pragmatism is the way of rationality, but we're too instinctual for that.

 

So we're stuck in-between.

camter

The pragmatists are not in power, that is the point.

Those in power have got there by plan. And pragmatism is very useful to lull the stupid into letting them get there.

No one gains power without a very clear plan, and the will to execute it.

Preggo_Basashi
camter wrote:

The pragmatists are not in power, that is the point.

Those in power have got there by plan. And pragmatism is very useful to lull the stupid into letting them get there.

No one gains power without a very clear plan, and the will to execute it.

Meh, if your opponent is a pigeon, then you can checkmate, no plan necessary.

Many people come into power by way of personality disorder + opportunity.

Preggo_Basashi
camter wrote:

The pragmatists are not in power,

Capitalism won, not because it's moral or just, but because it works.

Jefferson took a pair of scissors to the Christian Bible and cut out all the supernatural parts.

Preggo_Basashi

The power of a person is not measured by conviction, but by the ability to achieve results.

camter

That is a common point of view, and that is why things are coming to a head in the land of the brave.

It is now a fight to the death. 

Preggo_Basashi
camter wrote:

That is a common point of view, and that is why things are coming to a head in the land of the brave.

It is now a fight to the death. 

Not yet, but it's getting closer.

However a flame flickers most violently right before it goes out. At the end of the day, the morons remain in the minority, and history has steadily marched in only one direction... 

USArmyParatrooper
camter wrote:

The question so asked often in the streets of Belfast by a gang on a loner  goes thus:

"Are you a Billy or a Dan, or an old tin can?"

The answer given or not given has consequences.

Belief is essential to the human being. Without it, what governs his actions? 

Empathy. Intellect. Self-interest.

macer75
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
camter wrote:

The question so asked often in the streets of Belfast by a gang on a loner  goes thus:

"Are you a Billy or a Dan, or an old tin can?"

The answer given or not given has consequences.

Belief is essential to the human being. Without it, what governs his actions? 

Empathy. Intellect. Self-interest.

Two of which are beliefs...

USArmyParatrooper
macer75 wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
camter wrote:

The question so asked often in the streets of Belfast by a gang on a loner  goes thus:

"Are you a Billy or a Dan, or an old tin can?"

The answer given or not given has consequences.

Belief is essential to the human being. Without it, what governs his actions? 

Empathy. Intellect. Self-interest.

Two of which are beliefs...

Wrong. None of them are beliefs.

Preggo_Basashi
macer75 wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
camter wrote:

The question so asked often in the streets of Belfast by a gang on a loner  goes thus:

"Are you a Billy or a Dan, or an old tin can?"

The answer given or not given has consequences.

Belief is essential to the human being. Without it, what governs his actions? 

Empathy. Intellect. Self-interest.

Two of which are beliefs...

Empathy is an instinct

Intellect is an aspect of cognition that's at the very least not a subset of belief
And self interest is perhaps a combination of the two (instinct and intellect)

So I would say none of the 3 are beliefs.

camter
Preggo_Basashi wrote:
camter wrote:

That is a common point of view, and that is why things are coming to a head in the land of the brave.

It is now a fight to the death. 

Not yet, but it's getting closer.

However a flame flickers most violently right before it goes out. At the end of the day, the morons remain in the minority, and history has steadily marched in only one direction... 

The Gaderene Swine all went in one direction, too.

Preggo_Basashi
camter wrote:
Preggo_Basashi wrote:
camter wrote:

That is a common point of view, and that is why things are coming to a head in the land of the brave.

It is now a fight to the death. 

Not yet, but it's getting closer.

However a flame flickers most violently right before it goes out. At the end of the day, the morons remain in the minority, and history has steadily marched in only one direction... 

The Gaderene Swine all went in one direction, too.

Well, as usual, the debate should not be about the result, but about how the actions are justified.

One man supports his actions because an authority figure told him to have faith.

Another man supports his actions through empathy and logic.

Certainly a theocracy is capable of maintaining a society, however what wins out through the course of history (if indeed anything "wins out") will depend on the nature of humans.

Are we slaves to instinct? Or is our mind capable of rising above the behavior of common animals?

 

Maybe we will remain somewhere in the middle. As for myself, when it comes to living my life based on tribalism and faith vs empathy and logic, I'll choose to strive for the latter.

camter

OK. 

oregonpatzer

That's OK, Wells Fargo just opened another account for him on chess.com.  I can't tell you how good at chess it will be. 

camter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xmujSyxkU

david

As this discussion seems to have turned into a religious discussion from multiple persons over the last few pages, I am now locking it.

Thanks,

David, moderator

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