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What do you think of the Soller Gambit? (I have played it to great success)

  • #1
    It is a strange gambit but it leads to active play for black especially with the open rook file.

     

  • #2
    I think that if anyone ever played it against me, I'd be jumping for joy.
  • #3

     The compensation for the pawn is close to none.

    But for your level (1700-1900 on line) it doesn't matter what you play in the opening as long as you don't blunder.

        

           

  • #4
    DeirdreSkye wrote:

     The compensation for the pawn is close to none.

    But for your level (1700-1900 on line) it doesn't matter what you play in the opening as long as you don't blunder.

        

           

     compensation is BIG as my F-file is opened up and it usually surprises white.   The engine gives an evaluation of +0.6 .....this is hardly an advantage, sir.

  • #5
    LeonSKennedy992 wrote:
    DeirdreSkye wrote:

     The compensation for the pawn is close to none.

    But for your level (1700-1900 on line) it doesn't matter what you play in the opening as long as you don't blunder.

        

           

     compensation is BIG as my F-file is opened up and it usually surprises white.   The engine gives an evaluation of +0.6 .....this is hardly an advantage, sir.

           I don't care about engine evaluation but let me tell you this.

    +1.00 advantage means a pawn up without compensation.That is a theoretically winning position(Nakamura has said that the position becomes untenable at +0.9).

    +0.6 is closer to theoretically winning(only -0.3 from what Nakamura considers untenable)  than to no advantage.

    The problem is that  +0.6 on move 3 might mean nothing and might mean a lot.

         Obviously you need to evaluate the positon yourself but to do that you need to understand chess.

        Let's see what happened in tournament chess.

    The best guy that has played this nonsense is a 2215 player.And even he didn't play it again(I wonder why).

       

          Now here is the thing about engine evaluations that you don't understand.

    There is a +0.6 that might be a highly unpleasant position which is difficult to defend accurately forever.And there is a +0.6 which might be a complicated position that can easily change to -0.6(or more) in just one move.So if you don't understand the position ,the number can't help you.

         The specific position is a pawn down with minimum compensation.Engine can defend accurately forever but against a good opponent that will develop normally and then put pressure on you , you will be lost around move 20 (if not sooner).Try it if you don't believe me.I'm sure many will gladly accept to play white in this position.

        Against your 1700-1800 on line opponents and with the time limit you use(15/10) that doesn't allow too much thinking , it's more than ok.

  • #6
    DeirdreSkye wrote:
    LeonSKennedy992 wrote:
    DeirdreSkye wrote:

     The compensation for the pawn is close to none.

    But for your level (1700-1900 on line) it doesn't matter what you play in the opening as long as you don't blunder.

        

           

     compensation is BIG as my F-file is opened up and it usually surprises white.   The engine gives an evaluation of +0.6 .....this is hardly an advantage, sir.

           I don't care about engine evaluation but let me tell you this.

    +1.00 advantage means a pawn up without compensation.That is a theoretically winning position(Nakamura has said that the position becomes untenable at +0.9).

    +0.6 is closer to theoretically winning(only -0.3 from what Nakamura considers untenable)  than to no advantage.

    The problem is that  +0.6 on move 3 might mean nothing and might mean a lot.

         Obviously you need to evaluate the positon yourself but to do that you need to understand chess.

        Let's see what happened in tournament chess.

    The best guy that has played this nonsense is a 2215 player.And even he didn't play it again(I wonder why).

       

          Now here is the thing about engine evaluations that you don't understand.

    There is a +0.6 that might be a highly unpleasant position which is difficult to defend accurately forever.And there is a +0.6 which might be a complicated position that can easily change to -0.6(or more) in just one move.So if you don't understand the position ,the number can't help you.

         The specific position is a pawn down with minimum compensation.Engine can defend accurately forever but against a good opponent that will develop normally and then put pressure on you , you will be lost around move 20 (if not sooner).Try it if you don't believe me.I'm sure many will gladly accept to play white in this position.

        Against your 1700-1800 on line opponents and with the time limit you use(15/10) that doesn't allow too much thinking , it's more than ok.

    That master who played the soller gambit as black played horribly.

  • #7

    The only way Black's f-file actually matters is if White falls for some ...Rxf3 cheapo. Otherwise it's not relevant. Just because you have something doesn't mean it's going to always be useful. After all Black can have an advantage in development and a space advantage too. But it's still not enough. Chess is just more complicated than that.

     

    But ok you're 1800 and playing bullet. Why not play it?

  • #8
    LeonSKennedy992 wrote:
    DeirdreSkye wrote:
    LeonSKennedy992 wrote:
    DeirdreSkye wrote:

     The compensation for the pawn is close to none.

    But for your level (1700-1900 on line) it doesn't matter what you play in the opening as long as you don't blunder.

        

           

     compensation is BIG as my F-file is opened up and it usually surprises white.   The engine gives an evaluation of +0.6 .....this is hardly an advantage, sir.

           I don't care about engine evaluation but let me tell you this.

    +1.00 advantage means a pawn up without compensation.That is a theoretically winning position(Nakamura has said that the position becomes untenable at +0.9).

    +0.6 is closer to theoretically winning(only -0.3 from what Nakamura considers untenable)  than to no advantage.

    The problem is that  +0.6 on move 3 might mean nothing and might mean a lot.

         Obviously you need to evaluate the positon yourself but to do that you need to understand chess.

        Let's see what happened in tournament chess.

    The best guy that has played this nonsense is a 2215 player.And even he didn't play it again(I wonder why).

       

          Now here is the thing about engine evaluations that you don't understand.

    There is a +0.6 that might be a highly unpleasant position which is difficult to defend accurately forever.And there is a +0.6 which might be a complicated position that can easily change to -0.6(or more) in just one move.So if you don't understand the position ,the number can't help you.

         The specific position is a pawn down with minimum compensation.Engine can defend accurately forever but against a good opponent that will develop normally and then put pressure on you , you will be lost around move 20 (if not sooner).Try it if you don't believe me.I'm sure many will gladly accept to play white in this position.

        Against your 1700-1800 on line opponents and with the time limit you use(15/10) that doesn't allow too much thinking , it's more than ok.

    That master who played the soller gambit as black played horribly.

    That "master" is a 2215 FIDE rated player.

       His play clearly shows the practical difficulties.The gambit can only work if white cooperates a lot.

       From the very few players above 2000 that have played this nonsense this one is the only one that won.

    Only 4 guys over 2000 have played this.

    To understand how low this number is , 8 players over 2000(double) have played with Black 1...h5 against 1.d4

       

        

  • #9
    penandpaper0089 wrote:

    The only way Black's f-file actually matters is if White falls for some ...Rxf3 cheapo. Otherwise it's not relevant. Just because you have something doesn't mean it's going to always be useful. After all Black can have an advantage in development and a space advantage too. But it's still not enough. Chess is just more complicated than that.

     

    But ok you're 1800 and playing bullet. Why not play it?

    I am 1800 in bullet, 1800 in blitz, 1800 in USCF rating....2100 tactics.  I play lightning fast in Rapid games while my opponents take their time forever and ever, that is why I am just 1743 in Rapid, at the moment.

  • #10

    The soller gambit is not nonsense at lower than expert level.....also engine evaluations barelyyy give white an advantage.

  • #11
    LeonSKennedy992 wrote:
    penandpaper0089 wrote:

     I play lightning fast in Rapid games while my opponents take their time forever and ever, that is why I am just 1743 in Rapid, at the moment.

          This reveals a major flaw in your game yet you seem to be unable to realise it.     

          Instead of trying to prove that every nonsense gambit is good , try to play longer time control games and try to think more.

         All your games are full of easy tactics and superficial plans.Nothing that shows a deeper understanding.

       Let's assume that we are all wrong and you are right(it is afterall possible).Let's assume that Soller gambit is indeed good.How on earth will you be able to tell  if you don't play serious long time control games against a stronger opponents?That is how you will come face to face with the real problems.

       I believe you are talented but unfortunately you are just wasting your time with absolute nonsense.

         

  • #12

    As white I wouldn't play exf6.  I would play e4, and if fxe5, Qh5+

  • #13
    LeonSKennedy992 wrote:
    penandpaper0089 wrote:

    The only way Black's f-file actually matters is if White falls for some ...Rxf3 cheapo. Otherwise it's not relevant. Just because you have something doesn't mean it's going to always be useful. After all Black can have an advantage in development and a space advantage too. But it's still not enough. Chess is just more complicated than that.

     

    But ok you're 1800 and playing bullet. Why not play it?

    I am 1800 in bullet, 1800 in blitz, 1800 in USCF rating....2100 tactics.  I play lightning fast in Rapid games while my opponents take their time forever and ever, that is why I am just 1743 in Rapid, at the moment.

    I'd tell you the same thing if you were 2000 in everything.

  • #14
    You'd think by 1800 USCF you'd stop playing such garbage... I mean, I'm under no illusion about the strength of 1800s, I don't even think they're decent, but come on, man. Have some self-respect.
  • #15

     Only 10 games total in the database, with exactly a 50-50 win rate. I would be looking for more of an edge as White.

  • #16
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