What exactly is chess.com's problem with discussing cheaters ?

TomFinney1

hi pryder , you are wise , you see how cyclic this thread is , and wonder should you comment further , its not easy to let the things that annoy you go but im glad you think that this is the best solution , I wish I had your maturity

Pryder

The thread listed below is to do with the "unfairplay group" I suspect exists....it seems as if myself and WSAMA at the very least are.... "members"

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/is-there-some-kind-of-unfair-play-list-on-here.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with cheating...it appears to have something to do with having lost a certain number of games on time.

 

As far as the Cheating Forum goes …..that is a totally separate matter... yes I created a thread there...it was deleted after about 10 minutes... another member created a separate thread, calling me stupid, a child, and so on.

The thread I created there named no one, contained no swearing...no accusations..and the points I made were in fact supported by  I think at least 2 other members...then suddenly it was deleted ?!

Its seems quite clear from what you have said...that it has all been deleted......what a surprise lol.....maybe I need to increase my medication sad.png

I can only suggest that you ask all members there if they can recall either thread...I would hope that those who responded to my original thread would agree that it existed...once

I hope that clarifies matters for you happy.png

Pryder
TomFinney1 wrote:

hi pryder , you are wise , you see how cyclic this thread is , and wonder should you comment further , its not easy to let the things that annoy you go but im glad you think that this is the best solution , I wish I had your maturity

lol...thankyou happy.png...but if I dont shut it very soon...….. I will not be acting so maturely sad.png

I think I may have discovered a couple of things I and nobody else was supposed to ?!...that doesn't usually turn out too well sad.png

Better get back to trying to work out National Masters weird openings instead happy.png

Spelenderwijs

The downside to winning on chess.com

You're automatically labeled a cheater by your opponent.

 

I've seen so many players being called a cheater while the accused are only rated like 1800+ or something with over 20.000 games played. Did these accusers ever stop to think that they're opponent is better because those 20.000 games gave him/her some experience?

 

And why would you only be rated 1800, 1900, 2000 even after 20.000 games if you was cheating? Isn't the whole purpose of cheating achieving a high rating like 2500 or so because that looks so cool? And do you think getting there would take 20.000 games if one used an engine like stockfish or whatever?

 

Sure, i guess there are cheaters on chess.com. But so far, after the 2000+ games i played myself, bullet, blitz, rapid and daily, i felt i have been cheated maybe between 5 to 10 times. And those accounts have all been closed and my rating got adjusted by chess.com.

 

So most of the times i think the accusers are nothing other then sore losers. 

Pryder

Yes..thankyou..maybe you would care to read back and see what this thread is actually about ?

It helps you know happy.png

Spelenderwijs
Pryder schreef:

Yes..thankyou..maybe you would care to read back and see what this thread is actually about ?

It helps you know

It is about discussing cheating. Why would i read back?

WSama
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

  Its all fun and games at Chess.com until someone starts swinging a fire sword.                                       

 Lol

WSama
david wrote:

Well, I can assure you that the way you were treated is not typical of that group and that the administrators would appreciate further information so they can take appropriate action to ensure that the person who said those things is spoken to and warned.

The length of membership requirement is one measure to try and prevent return cheaters from joining and learning how to do so more effectively.

@Wsama's issue is news to me - I didn't know there was a restriction on custom time controls related to a Fair Play score - I'm not even sure what the Fair Play score is or how it's calculated, and whether it's got anything to do with the frequency with which someone aborts games (seems likely, but I'm just guessing there). I didn't see him say anything about the Cheating forum.

 

Thank you for the speedy response @david, there's no doubt in my mind that things will be cleared up in the next 24 hours.

Charlotte

don't bother about opening up your settings Pam, if staff want to contact you they can message. 

sounds to me like a rogue moderator did this to you. 

maybe someone you fell out with previously or something? there are 3000 members of that group so who knows?

chess.com does a great job with moderator recruitment, but there's no accounting for people sometimes.

Pryder

Thankyou lol......I was just thinking about posting again about another thing I have just discovered.The man who started another thread in that group calling me all sorts of names..has only been a member of chess.com for 3 months !!...and he still is in that group sad.png

The groups rules clearly state you have to be a member here for 6 months.

All very very strange...I think I need to do a screenshot...as all my previous stuff has conveniently been deleted it seems sad.png

david

Thanks for the PM - that person isn't an Admin of the group but can be a little abrasive at times: perhaps one of the Admins gave him a caution for it.

Anyways, the overall premise is still true - there IS a place where you can discuss cheating at https://www.chess.com/club/cheating-forum and it generally works fine. Obviously it's not perfect, but if things were, we wouldn't have cheating in the first place.

Is the time requirement 6 months? I thought it was 3, so that could be my mistake, as I've approved people in that 3-6 month range. I'll double check, but it's a measure meant to deter return cheaters from joining the group with their latest account, and from that point of view, 3 months seems like it would be just as effective as a 6 month requirement.

IMBacon
david wrote:

Thanks for the PM - that person isn't an Admin of the group but can be a little abrasive at times: perhaps one of the Admins gave him a caution for it.

Anyways, the overall premise is still true - there IS a place where you can discuss cheating at https://www.chess.com/club/cheating-forum and it generally works fine. Obviously it's not perfect, but if things were, we wouldn't have cheating in the first place.

Still not locked David...

david
IMBacon wrote:

Still not locked David...

Yes, I think this conversation has pretty much reached a conclusion and I agree - I am now locking it.

Thanks,

David, moderator

MGleason

I haven't read all this thread, but as the Cheating Forum admin, I thought I'd chime in briefly.

I did not delete any threads in the Cheating Forum yesterday.  I didn't even see the thread.  However, I did notice another thread in another club disappearing shortly after it was posted, and I've heard that other newly-posted threads in club forums were disappearing.  I believe there may be a bug that is causing this.

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