What the hell chess.com?

RedGirlZ

Why can players constantly just close accounts whenever they do something abusive then just open a new one. I'm sure people remember "Chiefonion" that guy has been spouting anti semiotical things at me for almost a year now constantly creating new accounts. It's the reason he originally closed his "Chiefcarrot" account. He keeps doing it, I've reported it and staff are doing nothing, not responding at all. I've shown this to the mod david and no response. Chess.com do something about this kind of abuse of the system, it's not right. 

 

NOTE: This was in a public forum so it's not naming and shaming. 

[Mod edit. Offensive material.]

RedGirlZ

I posted the same image twice on accident apologies.

hari2017

not defending them, but how can you stop a person from starting another account, if all you need for one is a free email address? and (not that that would help much), since ownership of that email account isnt verified (you, lazy bums, cant code yourself out of the room) you can just made one up: as long as it looks like an email, they'll take it. with gmail, if you just add "+" followed by some text (e.g. me+you@gmail.com), owner of me@gmail.com will still get any messages sent to that first address, while i served its purpose here. i say, dont waste your energy trying to control something you cant: that uncontrolable 1-account-per rule is just waste of time: unless you reveal youself from both of those accounts, they cant know, and they cant act on somebody else's suspicion (in this case, yours). even if you do find a proof, this site is a money-making machine that isnt exactly making all of them rich, and they dont invest a  minute in making anything they dont forsee relatively quick monetary return. they dont monitor what we say here or give a  about improvement suggestions - they hire free labor for to moderate, such as fat dave, whose confidence grew to the roof (what else would he do, at age of 45 at his mom's house; this gives him some value; all those meatloafs finally put to use; what happened to him anyway, he's been quiet lately). So, try not to be bothered by insults, play some chess (that's why you're here, originally), have some entertainment reading these threads here during mental chess breaks (we should all really get another parallel hobby instead), and - yeah...

RedGirlZ

to answer the beginning of ur post. U ban their IP.

nhim22

maybe focus on chess and don't pay much attention to trolls?

hari2017

RedGirlZ wrote:

to answer the beginning of ur post. U ban their IP.

not accurate: IPs are both shared and short-term leased, especially to mobile devices. innocent people would get previously banned IP addresses all the time, while those that caused them banned would get new ones and march right back in.
blueemu
RedGirlZ wrote:

to answer the beginning of ur post. U ban their IP.

As Hari2017 points out, almost all IPs are on short-term lease... power your router off for an hour and when it comes back up, your IP is different.

A better idea would be a MAC ban... although that would only stop amateur trolls, who don't know how to spoof a MAC address.

hari2017

blueemu wrote:

RedGirlZ wrote:

to answer the beginning of ur post. U ban their IP.

As Hari2017 points out, almost all IPs are on short-term lease... power your router off for an hour and when it comes back up, your IP is different.

A better idea would be a MAC ban... although that would only stop amateur trolls, who don't know how to spoof a MAC address.

sender's MAC address is a part of network packet generally not exposed to consuming services. in other words, websites dont get to know what those are; they dont leace the OS-networkdriver boundary. almost 100% sure 😀
RedGirlZ

So because It's not easy to do we should just let people like this continue to do these things? 

hari2017

RedGirlZ wrote:

So because It's not easy to do we should just let people like this continue to do these things? 

i cimpare everything to potentialky happening in the street: i ask myself, what would i do if a random douchebag starts insulting me in public? if i happen ti be in bad mood, probably a fist fight would occur, if not, id walk away. i sometimes respond nasty in chat to nasty people that start it (i also received terrible words, unsolicitet), and sometimes i ignore. disable chat, dont talk to anyone. you're playing timed games anyway, and there isnt time to spare. this isnt a live event, and hi's, bye's and small talk dont change anything. play, dont rematch, move on.
RedGirlZ

Dude what are u on about. This was on the forums not in game.

mgx9600

I think there's an ignore setting where you can ignore a person (I remember reading about it in a posting).  I think that's simple and effective way of solving your problem.  As the saying goes: keep it simple or something.

 

And, also to correct some bad technical info posted here...

 

MAC address would not be available after the packet moves beyond the local network (e,g, moves out of your home router) so sites cannot use it to ban people.  Also, even on the same network, MAC address can be spoofed (in the past, people can do ethernet port blocks, which is blocking traffic to/from specific port on a wird ethernet switch).

 

IPs cannot be banned easily, but it is not because that it is a temporary thing.  Generally, most users of the Internet pay an ISP connect; the ISP uses a fixed network; a ban can simply ban that network.  The real reason that it is difficult to ban based on "IP" is because there are many (and free) forwarding sites that masks your IP.  Of course, the ISP can be changed too.

 

hari2017

RedGirlZ wrote:

Dude what are u on about. This was on the forums not in game.

my bad. was just generalizing. got carried away. so, then, lose sleep over it, what can i tell you.
RedGirlZ

Yeah VPNs, but it at least makes it more difficult. Ignore them? when this person makes new accounts nonstop and follows me wherever i post and spouts anti-semetic things at me, then closes their account, rinse and repeat, I just ignore? Lmfao

mgx9600
RedGirlZ wrote:

So because It's not easy to do we should just let people like this continue to do these things? 

 

It is actually very easy for a site to ban a non-technical person (i.e. your casual Internet user).  The key is that the ban doesn't have to last forever, just a few months in reality.

 

But, here's the thing.  It generally takes 2.  If somebody posts something offensive to trigger the other... if the other person simple ignores the first, then nothing much happens.  So, my advice to you is to simple ignore this chiefcarrot person (or even persons... because pranks are more fun when done with friends : )

 

RedGirlZ

Yeah, lets ignore someone whos been following me for 7 months

mgx9600

Yes, why not.  What can he/she/it/they do?

robbie_1969

I saw the text and I have seen a few other quite vicious personal attacks against the OP.  Its very difficult to prevent because of the way the internet and networking works.  Its easy to get a proxy, to mask your real IP, to target and harass people.   Its just kind of like guerilla warfare, they ambush you and then disappear back into anonymity. The difficult thing is not to let it affect you.  I dunno if there even is a solution or anything chess dot com can do to prevent it from happening.

mgx9600

It funny that today's kids place so much on virtual/Internet status that generally translates into 0 in reality.  I get sad whenever I read in the news that somebody killed herself becase of online bullying.  Redgirl, truely, the best solution is the simplest in your case.  Just ignore that person.  (I'd also recommend that you let your parents know about what's bothering you WRT that poster... more support is always better than less.)

 

RonaldJosephCote

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