where was chess orignated

president_max
FBloggs wrote:
DaveOakRidges wrote:

where was spell check orignated?

India. Everybody knows that.

shhh ... babaji may come back with his black magic spell checks ...

AyoV

 The romantic tale is as follows that the rulers of India invited the rulers and wise men of Persia to talk, because there was a lot of hostility from both sides and disputes over world dominance. The Indians showed the Persians the board and the pieces and challenged the Persians to find out what the aim of the game was and how it was played. So the Persians took the game home and after a certain amount of time they came back and not only had they found out how it was played, but when a game was started against the Indians they won. So, the Indian rulers, recognising their humiliating defeat and the intellectual superiority of the Persian wise men, laid down their power and handed over India to the Persian king.

AyoV

There is also a tale about how Chess was invented. In ancient times There was a king ruling over all of the then civilised world. He had two sons and when he died he divided the empire between his sons. But the two brothers resented the other one's heritage and finally a devastating war broke out between the brothers and their countries. After the battle one son (or maybe only one of the generals, I don't recall which) came back to the queen to report on the battle and as the heartbroken queen wanted to know everyrhing that had happened, he made the chess pieces and the board and through this he showed her how the battle had gone.

AyoV

Of course, in both tales TWO players are mentioned and that is in contradiction with the current leading theory, that the old Indian game was played by four players and that only in later times the four armies were merged into two armies whereby two of the kings became queens (no pun intended, lol)

kindaspongey

"... The details upon which all modern descriptions rely, for the four-handed chaturaji, barely reach back 500 years. Finally, the earliest reference to this game remains an Arabic manuscript, the Tahqiq ma li-l-Hind, a travel journal of the north of India, written around 1030 by the Persian, al-Biruni. The first mention of a chess game for two (clarified because a General stands next to the King) dates from the beginning of the seventh century, four hundred years earlier. ..." - A world of chess (2017)

https://chesscafe.com/book-reviews/a-world-of-chess/

AyoV
kindaspongey schreef:

"... The details upon which all modern descriptions rely, for the four-handed chaturaji, barely reach back 500 years. Finally, the earliest reference to this game remains an Arabic manuscript, the Tahqiq ma li-l-Hind, a travel journal of the north of India, written around 1030 by the Persian, al-Biruni. The first mention of a chess game for two (clarified because a General stands next to the King) dates from the beginning of the seventh century, four hundred years earlier. ..." - A world of chess (2017)

https://chesscafe.com/book-reviews/a-world-of-chess/

I haven't read the book, but it seems that it still doesn't prove his claims:

"The authors take issue with Murray’s Indian origins model; however, they are also prone to using equivocal phrases such as “it is possible,” “with scant evidence,” and “may have been.” With regard to the true origin of chess, they state “we can only assume that the cradle of chess and its primordial history still lie hidden somewhere in Asia,” but that “the exact birth of the royal game remains clouded in mystery.”

AyoV
MohanKumarP schreef:
AyoV wrote:

 The romantic tale is as follows that the rulers of India invited the rulers and wise men of Persia to talk, because there was a lot of hostility from both sides and disputes over world dominance. The Indians showed the Persians the board and the pieces and challenged the Persians to find out what the aim of the game was and how it was played. So the Persians took the game home and after a certain amount of time they came back and not only had they found out how it was played, but when a game was started against the Indians they won. So, the Indian rulers, recognising their humiliating defeat and the intellectual superiority of the Persian wise men, laid down their power and handed over India to the Persian king.

you mean handed over North India to the Persian King? 

I couldn't say. It is a legend and I confess I don't know much of the official history.

VivaswanChess
On chessboard!
glockdave
Once upon a time in a hot ass desert far far away....