I want to say someone may have broken this record but a quick search turned up Christoper Yoo: https://new.uschess.org/news/christopher-yoo-breaks-record-for-youngest-ever-master/
Who is the youngest NM?
Chiefbroccoli is into something here. If player A(9 y.o) is youngest NM in US and player B(8 y.o) is youngest NM in India. Then player B changes citizenship, wouldn't that make them the new youngest NM in USA? NM title is relative to which country you are from.. National ratings are not always consistent with FIDE ratings. So the right question would have been who's the youngest player from(insert country)?
IM is a FIDE title thus, only one youngest IM in the world.
Since the OP is sporting a US flag, it's a safe bet he was discussing the youngest NM in the USCF. That and the fact that most federations don't have their own NM title and every one that has them has different requirements, it doesn't make sense to compare between national federations.
They also are not transferable as far as I know, so an NM from one country would not immediately make them an NM in the other if they switched federations.
Since the OP is sporting a US flag, it's a safe bet he was discussing the youngest NM in the USCF. That and the fact that most federations don't have their own NM title and every one that has them has different requirements, it doesn't make sense to compare between national federations.
Maybe he wanted to see a comparison anyway ?
Not sure where that "safe bet" thing is coming from, can you read his mind ?
I suggest we let the OP clarify instead of trying to think for him.
The youngest NM in USCF probably plays doodles when they are faced up against a real IM from a strong country.
A USCF base NM strength player is more comparable rating-wise to a FIDE CM. So a newly minted NM would have a hard time against an IM. So what?
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. A question was asked, a question was answered.
But sometimes, youngest NMs later become youngest at other titles. One example, Awonder Liang became the youngest USCF NM in March of 2013 (9 yrs 11 mo). In 2015 he became the youngest US player to get the IM title (qualified at 12 yrs 7 mo) and this year got his third GM norm (at 14).
Sam Sevian also was the youngest player to get the USCF NM title (9 yrs 11 mo) at one point, the youngest US player to get IM (12 yrs 10 mo) and GM (13 yrs 10 mo).
USCF NM is 2200 and equates to something like 2150 FIDE (assuming we're not talking about a floored NM) and around CM strength.
The question has been answered, idk what broccoli is talking about. You can't compare NM titles.
Since FM was introduced most countries have stopped issuing NM titles. Normally to get an NM title you will need an elo 2100-2250 and 3 norms (TPR above 2300 in 3 tourneys)
@ChiefBroccoli, it doesn't matter. The OP asked about the youngest NM. An assumption was made, based on the OP's flag, that the question pertained to the USCF. The question was answered. Full stop.
You are trying to have some different discussion, creating some goalposts, then moving those. The reason I brought up US players that made it to IM/GM is because you specifically brought up getting IM and/or GM at a young age being more impressive, even giving some corresponding ages. I just gave a couple examples of that type of player, again within the confines of the US, since that is where the discussion started and due to the USCF being one of the federations still giving national titles.
To your final question, it is very possible that a US player doesn't exist that got IM without getting NM first. Because ratings work by increasing and if the player is playing many of their games in the US, they will be playing USCF rated chess, even if the event is also FIDE rated. By doing so, they get a USCF rating and automatically get the NM title as soon as they hit 2200 or higher (well, after they have an established, non-provisional rating of 2200 or higher). Your hypothetical progression would require a US player to mostly play foreign events and not US-based ones, which is highly unlikely. There is no flaw in national organizations offering their own performance based titles.
"You are trying to have some different discussion, creating some goalposts, then moving those. "
It's always been about IM and NM, but Rasta_Jay is the one who has introduced new goalposts, FM. If you disagree with him, then disagree with him. Is he not right "mon"?
"Your hypothetical progression would require a US player to mostly play foreign events and not US-based ones, which is highly unlikely. There is no flaw in national organizations offering their own performance based titles."
Then why switch from NM titles to FM as the norm?
No, the discussion started with NM and you brought in IM/GM being more worthy of discussion. You said it was more interesting to discuss young IMs and GMs. I gave examples of US players that met your requirements (who were also youngest NMs which is how it would work for a US-based player). Then you moved the goalpost to say IM without being NM .....
To your last statement, I don't know what exactly you are trying to get at. The USCF has a NM title and it is automatic for players that get an established, non-provisional rating of at least 2200 after any rated event. The vast majority of events in the US are not FIDE rated anyway so it doesn't make a ton of sense talking about youngest FIDE title holders, in general and especially in regards to the OP's question, when it comes to US-based players.
In Canada, Eugene Hua, Rohan Talukdar and Nicholas Vettese all became CM's at age 10. Jason Cao became an FM at age 10. Canada has a national master title, but a lot of players seem to get their FIDE titles first for some reason.
Fabiano Caruana became an FM at age 10, and a US NM at age 11.
England's Joshua Altman became a CM at age 8.
Maximillian Lu, Christopher Yoo and Liran Zhou passed USCF 2200 at age 9 as mentioned earlier in the thread.
Mongolia's Yesuntumur Tugstumur became a CM at age 7.
The U.S.'s Awonder Liang, India's R. Praggnanandhaa and Uzbekistan's Nodirbek Abdusattorov became FM's at age 8. Canada's Nameer Issani and the U.S.'s Arthur Guo became CM's at age 8.
"You said it was more interesting to discuss young IMs and GMs. "
"Then you moved the goalpost to say IM without being NM ....."
That's the same goalpost. Sentence one says A+B, and sentence two says not C. If you added C to sentence one, that was your doing, not mine.
I took a quick look over Carlsen's history, and I don't see where he earned an NM. Definitely, talk of not getting an NM then would be suitable for discussion. No goalpost has been changed. If Carlsen did get an NM, please tell me the year.
Um, yeah. Because a lot of federations/countries do not have NM titles. Again, the start of this conversation was in context of the US (based on the OP's flag). The OP asked about NMs, the initial reply by me was about NMs and you decided to make the discussion about something else entirely.
So, the conversation was about NMs
Mongolia's Yesuntumur Tugstumur became a CM at age 7.
The U.S.'s Awonder Liang, India's R. Praggnanandhaa and Uzbekistan's Nodirbek Abdusattorov became FM's at age 8. Canada's Nameer Issani and the U.S.'s Arthur Guo became CM's at age 8.
I missed that Awonder got the FM title for the U8 group of the World Youth Chess Championship in 2011 before he had the NM rating.
@ Martin (post #2)
The record was just broken by Liran Zhou, age 9, 3 months.
https://new.uschess.org/news/nine-year-old-liran-zhou-breaks-record-youngest-master-continental-open/
He beat Christopher Yoo's record by 8 months. Christopher held the record from December 2016 until this past weekend when Liran made NM at the Continental Open.
Thanks Philidor for this. I created a post to recognize and celebrate Liran's achievement:
Who is the youngest NM? Please tell me below.