It will be between player 3 and 4 , due of now having expierence in playing games player 4 probably will win . But player 3 might give him some problems .
WHO WINS?
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You don't learn all facets of the game by playing random games. I can't think of anyone who was like, "Oh I was playing a random game and then this Mate-In-5 just popped out at me!" That happens because you study tactics.
Of course, if the game player gets game analysis, then he stands a much better chance in the tournament, but then the competition would be a moot point. If you can get a 2000-2500+ player analyzing your opening, tactics, and endgame, then you get some of the benefit of all the other players.
NoRetreat wrote:
I say the Opening Theorist beats everyone down, since a far superior knowledge of opening leads into a better game.
It's all very well having a great knowledge of how to start, but, unless the opener either destroys his opponents in a minature, he will still have to convert his advantage into a full point.
How come everyone ( except brandonQDSH) is "trashing" the endgamer. Many experts ( including Josh Waitzkin ) suggest learning endgames to improve the fastest. In the endgame as stated, you pick up tremendous amount of theory+tactics ( and also experience ). This knowledge will assist the player in other parts of the game ( but maybe not in the early opening).
Ok how is this:?
1 round robin right?
opener vs. endgamer tactician vs. gamer
1 - 0 1 - 0
opener vs. gamer gamer vs. endgamer
0 - 1 0 - 1
opener vs. tactician tactician vs. endgamer
0 - 1 1/2 - 1/2
FINAL SCORE:
1. tactician 2.5 points
2. gamer 2 points
3. endgamer 1.5 points
4. opener 1 point
If there are more rounds it will favor the gamer and the endgamer....
ooops I messed up!
second place for the endgamer with 1.5 points
3rd place goes to gamer with 1 point
sorry 
brandonQDSH wrote:
Both the opener and endgamer will struggle, but since the game will tend to go long, I think the endgamer has a significant accumulated advantage. He will win all the close games!
Definitely, the game player is being vastly OVERRATED! You aren't going to learn anything from just playing random games against random people. These are the people that stay permanently rated between 800-1000 because all they do is just play random games.
I easily got to a 1200 ranking by playing "random games" and by upping my competition slightly got to a 1400 ranking.
The problem with only tactics, is that you will rarely just happen to get into a situation that favors tactics. Solving tactics puzzles does not help players get into said positions. I actually think that the player 4 does the best, but only barely beats the opener. Studying openings can often lead to amazing material gain. Traps and the like cannot be all found by playing games and must be studied. Therefore a peerson who studies openings can possibly win enough material to almost ensure a victory. However, I will still go with the all-round, balanced player who has played openings, and endgames, as well as doing live tactics for the win. Next is the tactician, and finally the endgame player, who will never get into a situation in which his superior knowledge will triumph.
Order: 4, 2,3,1
Olimar,
There is NO OPENING IN THE WORLD THAT DIRECTLY FORCES MATERIAL GAIN. Therefore, the person studying opening will more often than not simply achieve a superior position out of the opening. Or maybe he'll win a pawn or something like that. But that is far from winning the game.
You all misunderstand the point of tactics. It's not about solving puzzles for the sake of solving puzzles. STUDYING TACTICS IS LIKE TRAINING YOURSELF TO ALWAYS THINK 1-2 MOVES AHEAD. And when you get better, you start thinking 3-4 moves ahead. Always checking every position like 1-3 moves deep and looking to attack with and defend against tactics really does wonders for your game.
If you just studying openings, even if you're up a piece (which is pretty much game if you're rated 1500+), you're very likely to blunder that piece back. And you'll be in for a dog-fight against the endgame player who will be employing all kinds of traps to swindle and stalemate you. Plus they will have an amazing knowledge of how to use their King in the endgame (which the opening player will be absolutely clueless about), winning pawn-structure, and how to best activate their pieces in the endgame. More than anything, piece activity is what decides who wins the endgame.
The person who simply plays games after game without study will not improve much. We've all been there. You first pick up the game in grade school, and start playing and stuff. But you don't really learn how to get better until you pick up that first book or practice stuff like Scholar's Mate (TACTICS)! Even if you play against superior competition, it doesn't mean anything. You'll play 100 games against Kasparov. He'll smash your face 100 times in a row. And you'll have absolutely no clue how he did it. I mean, let's face it. If any random player could just browse through a dozen Kasparov games and suddenly become a much better player, chess would be the easiest game in the world.
In summary, being able to see even 1-2 moves ahead of your opponent is priceless. And that is what studying tactics does for you. He will leave all his opponent's twisting in the wind.
There is nothing like playn the game.
u would learn all those 3 things while getn gaming experance
Studying endgames is almost like studying tactics....
As my previous posts about favoring endgame player over most,I am now starting to think the endgamer will beat up the other 3. Endgames will teach you middle games, it will teach you tactics,it will teach you how to close a win, how to save a loss ( or turn it into a win vs. the opener especially). Remember also, some say the endgame begins once the Q's are off (although I don't fully support this), so the endgamer picks up studying there....Don't be fooled by "end"game. He will master how to use the pieces and pawns, their strengths and weaknesses.
Endgamer to win!
brandonQDSH wrote:
Olimar,
There is NO OPENING IN THE WORLD THAT DIRECTLY FORCES MATERIAL GAIN. Therefore, the person studying opening will more often than not simply achieve a superior position out of the opening. Or maybe he'll win a pawn or something like that. But that is far from winning the game.
You all misunderstand the point of tactics. It's not about solving puzzles for the sake of solving puzzles. STUDYING TACTICS IS LIKE TRAINING YOURSELF TO ALWAYS THINK 1-2 MOVES AHEAD. And when you get better, you start thinking 3-4 moves ahead. Always checking every position like 1-3 moves deep and looking to attack with and defend against tactics really does wonders for your game.
If you just studying openings, even if you're up a piece (which is pretty much game if you're rated 1500+), you're very likely to blunder that piece back. And you'll be in for a dog-fight against the endgame player who will be employing all kinds of traps to swindle and stalemate you. Plus they will have an amazing knowledge of how to use their King in the endgame (which the opening player will be absolutely clueless about), winning pawn-structure, and how to best activate their pieces in the endgame. More than anything, piece activity is what decides who wins the endgame.
The person who simply plays games after game without study will not improve much. We've all been there. You first pick up the game in grade school, and start playing and stuff. But you don't really learn how to get better until you pick up that first book or practice stuff like Scholar's Mate (TACTICS)! Even if you play against superior competition, it doesn't mean anything. You'll play 100 games against Kasparov. He'll smash your face 100 times in a row. And you'll have absolutely no clue how he did it. I mean, let's face it. If any random player could just browse through a dozen Kasparov games and suddenly become a much better player, chess would be the easiest game in the world.
In summary, being able to see even 1-2 moves ahead of your opponent is priceless. And that is what studying tactics does for you. He will leave all his opponent's twisting in the wind.
Endgamers also need to think ahead, sometimes more than just 1-2-3 moves. I myself use my fingers over the board....
1.gamer(student that learns about all facets of game) btw you dont have to study to become better, i never did and im 1879. studying is done during games anyways
2. or 3.endgame student(tactics are very prevalent here: knight and bishop # for example)
2. or 3.tactician: some tactics can blow a game apart other times they don't
4.opener- remembering openings may help a lot espicially if the theory behind the opening is learned, but that is so hard to do when you never get the practice