Why is it so difficult to report cheating?

CoffeeAnd420

Why is there not a button right there next to the board to report the player for cheating like there is literally anywhere else you can play chess online? Seems like you guys don't want to be bothered with it. Bottom line? The cheating on this site is absolutely RAMPANT and this server is less effective in identifying it and doing something (legitimately doing something) about it than anywhere else you can play chess online.

EscherehcsE

I think you already know the answer. They don't want it to be too convenient to report it. And I can't say that I blame them... :)

CoffeeAnd420
EscherehcsE wrote:

I think you already know the answer. They don't want it to be too convenient to report it. And I can't say that I blame them... :)

 

So, even though the other sites all make it simple and easy to report someone - and go to great lengths to detect and punish cheating - Chess.com just isn't going to bother? Nice.

ScootaChess

Because chess.com is a pawn of the techies. They pretend to crack down on engine use but secretly...

CoffeeAnd420
ScootaChess wrote:

Because chess.com is a pawn of the techies. They pretend to crack down on engine use but secretly...

 

...They don't. I'm playing 1000-1100's in blitz here who play like 1700+'s on other networks. It's so obvious what the deal is that it's a joke. I don't even bother reporting the games anymore. Chess.com literally has NEVER done anything about any report I or anyone I know have ever made.

CheckmateGenius
I think to solve this a diamond member should cheat while recording with multiple engines just like how they say they evade cheating, And see how long until a ban.
CoffeeAnd420
CheckmateGenius wrote:
I think to solve this a diamond member should cheat while recording with multiple engines just like how they say they evade cheating, And see how long until a ban.

 

I'd say what the engine users are doing that's just totally beating Chess.com's archaic cheat detection methods but I know they'll immediately lock the thread. It's so simple it's just pathetic.

CheckmateGenius
If you don't like people who kick your butt, just leave.
BlargDragon

It's supply and demand. The fewer cheaters there are, the less recourse there is for cheating. If you want the developers to make it easier to report cheaters, you need to convince more people to use engines.

JessieMillano2015

I wanted surpass Carlsen and Nakamura's blitz rating here but these cheaters can break my ego. So I gave up on that idea. I decided: I will never mind losing to cheaters or honest players. That's chess. And - in Fischer's words - chess is life.

CoffeeAnd420
BobbyTalparov wrote:
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:
ScootaChess wrote:

Because chess.com is a pawn of the techies. They pretend to crack down on engine use but secretly...

 

...They don't. I'm playing 1000-1100's in blitz here who play like 1700+'s on other networks. It's so obvious what the deal is that it's a joke. I don't even bother reporting the games anymore. Chess.com literally has NEVER done anything about any report I or anyone I know have ever made.

Perhaps it is because you are reporting people who are not cheating?  Has it occurred to you that just because someone beat you does not mean they were cheating?

 

Forget it. This will just be a waste of time. Did I say ANYWHERE that just because someone beat me, they are automatically cheating? I'm talking about specific examples of them cheating. I clearly state that it's not just me but anyone I've ever known or talked to. Considering all of that (since I did say it), your post is ridiculous.

 

When a 1050 blitz here plays like a 1700+ OTB, he's cheating. That's the end of it. There are 50-100 move games where people use virtually no time on their clock with just a slight increment. Guys rated 1100 in blitz. Don't you realize that's just not possible? People rated that low can't play like that or they wouldn't be rated that low. Between the total lack of care for cheating, multiaccounting, and sandbagging, it's no wonder this place went from being where everyone's rated the highest to where everone's rated their lowest seemingly as soon as V3 hit. Again...this is blatantly obvious.

CoffeeAnd420
BobbyTalparov wrote:
CoffeeAnd420 wrote: 

Forget it. This will just be a waste of time. Did I say ANYWHERE that just because someone beat me, they are automatically cheating? I'm talking about specific examples of them cheating. I clearly state that it's not just me but anyone I've ever known or talked to. Considering all of that (since I did say it), your post is ridiculous.

 

When a 1050 blitz here plays like a 1700+ OTB, he's cheating. That's the end of it.

Feel free to join the Cheating Forum and post your specific examples.  Looking at your last 15 or so games, I see no examples of it.

 

And just because you may not know people who have had successful reports does not mean they do not exist.  I can tell you, they do.

 

Look, I understand that you pay for the site but ...you're wrong. 1000-1100's don't play blitz like those guys in the last 15 games. Period. The fact that there are that many people totally wasting their time cheating for a rating that means absolutely nothing says tons about the human race.

 

The Cheating Forum, like the rest of this site, is archaic. It's absolutely useless. The fact that Chess.com catches a cheater now and then doesn't mean that cheating is not - by in large - going on rampantly here. If they catch 1 for every 5, the site is basically pointless and I can assure you that they're not shooting 20% on this one.

JessieMillano2015

Isn't cheating stressful? Come to think of it: the SHAMELESS CHEATER has to use two gadgets and/or two programs and the loss of time is quite enormous. I know because I matched Chessmaster to Play Magnus. But of course the increase in rating you get is satisfying. But who cares? The cheater's chick, maybe.

CoffeeAnd420
JessieMillano2015 wrote:

Isn't cheating stressful? Come to think of it: the SHAMELESS CHEATER has to use two gadgets and/or two programs and the loss of time is quite enormous. I know because I matched Chessmaster to Play Magnus. But of course the increase in rating you get is satisfying. But who cares? The cheater's chick, maybe.

 

??? The increase in a meaningless rating that you receive from cheating is satisfying to you?

CoffeeAnd420
BobbyTalparov wrote:
CoffeeAnd420 wrote: 

Look, I understand that you pay for the site but ...you're wrong. 1000-1100's don't play blitz like those guys in the last 15 games. Period. The fact that there are that many people totally wasting their time cheating for a rating that means absolutely nothing says tons about the human race.

 

The Cheating Forum, like the rest of this site, is archaic. It's absolutely useless. The fact that Chess.com catches a cheater now and then doesn't mean that cheating is not - by in large - going on rampantly here. If they catch 1 for every 5, the site is basically pointless and I can assure you that they're not shooting 20% on this one.

You mean 1000-1100's do not play ridiculous openings and blunder 1-move threats?  Because, looking at your last 20 games, virtually every game is decided by someone making a fairly large blunder, and their correlation to engine moves is extremely low.  So, either you are playing a bunch of people with really crappy engines, or you are simply incorrect.  I realize this is difficult news to take, but again, just because you lose does not mean your opponent was cheating.

 

Only on Chess.com (and this is true) do people think there's ego attached to a blitz game. There isn't, guys. Everyone else treats it as a training tool. Only here on Chess.com is virtually nothing but blitz played and only here do people specifically try to improve @ blitz chess. Really - nobody does that anywhere else online or off. So no, this isn't about my ego or my ability. I'm not good at chess yet. This is about knowing how people play at a certain skill level and also knowing that some drooler on Chess.com isn't playing better than a guy with a classical rating (truly classical - you don't play ANY of that on this site) 300 points higher than him. An 1100 blitz should be pretty regularly making huge, huge blunders. When he turns the engine on selectively when he realizes he's losing, nobody seems to be the wiser. Guys don't just start playing infinitely better chess AFTER they drop a bunch of material and exhibit horrible board vision. You know that's not how chess works.

drmrboss

nullI just checked his  last game. He dropped his queen by taking the kt with e pawn. If you are hanging pieces like that you will lose to 1000-1100 in this site. Remember, the basic rating from this site start from 1200, not 1600 like other sites. .So 1100 in this site will play like 1500 in other site) 

CoffeeAnd420
drmrboss wrote:

I just checked his  last game. He dropped his queen by taking the kt with e pawn. If you are hanging pieces like that you will lose to 1000-1100 in this site. Remember, the basic rating from this site start from 1200, not 1600 like other sites. .So 1100 in this site will play like 1500 in other site) 

 

I give up. THIS is the game you post? I've been up for 36 hours and am specifically sitting here playing blitz exhausted and (I really don't know how still. I saw the pin clearly) hung the queen. I can assure you, this is not one of the games where I think cheating occurred.

 

And you with "I just checked his last game" like you did some in depth research. As for (this site will play like 1500 in other site) - Please read the thread before posting in the future. FIDE and USCF OTB ratings don't start at 1500. They start at 1200 like they do here on Chess.com. Further, OTB players are far, far better than blitz players on Chess.com. When an 1100 on Chess.com plays better than a 1700 classical USCF in a 3+2, he's cheating. This is like the third time I've said this and I don't know why. The original question was why it's so difficult to report cheating compared to any other site and...sure enough...here we are critiquing games of mine. Why would anyone be against better cheat prevention methods? Why? 

BlargDragon
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:

I've been up for 36 hours

You should get some sleep. You're very testy.

Toohey_Dee

First of all cheating is not rampant on Chess.com. I have been playing on this site for awhile now and I have found that Chess.com members are pretty honest. As far as your idea of having a cheating button made available all that's going to do is create a fury of malcontents constantly accusing their opponents every time they lose a game. I have yet to come across a cheater. Every time I have lost a game it's because I have made less than stellar moves.

BronsteinPawn

Is this what Roosevelt calls capitalism? A chess player with no skills that thinks seeing a 3 move tactic is cheating? Cheaters will not waste their time with you and those who do will be caught easily.

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