Why is it so difficult to report cheating?

drmrboss

nullI just checked his  last game. He dropped his queen by taking the kt with e pawn. If you are hanging pieces like that you will lose to 1000-1100 in this site. Remember, the basic rating from this site start from 1200, not 1600 like other sites. .So 1100 in this site will play like 1500 in other site) 

CoffeeAnd420
drmrboss wrote:

I just checked his  last game. He dropped his queen by taking the kt with e pawn. If you are hanging pieces like that you will lose to 1000-1100 in this site. Remember, the basic rating from this site start from 1200, not 1600 like other sites. .So 1100 in this site will play like 1500 in other site) 

 

I give up. THIS is the game you post? I've been up for 36 hours and am specifically sitting here playing blitz exhausted and (I really don't know how still. I saw the pin clearly) hung the queen. I can assure you, this is not one of the games where I think cheating occurred.

 

And you with "I just checked his last game" like you did some in depth research. As for (this site will play like 1500 in other site) - Please read the thread before posting in the future. FIDE and USCF OTB ratings don't start at 1500. They start at 1200 like they do here on Chess.com. Further, OTB players are far, far better than blitz players on Chess.com. When an 1100 on Chess.com plays better than a 1700 classical USCF in a 3+2, he's cheating. This is like the third time I've said this and I don't know why. The original question was why it's so difficult to report cheating compared to any other site and...sure enough...here we are critiquing games of mine. Why would anyone be against better cheat prevention methods? Why? 

BlargDragon
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:

I've been up for 36 hours

You should get some sleep. You're very testy.

Toohey_Dee

First of all cheating is not rampant on Chess.com. I have been playing on this site for awhile now and I have found that Chess.com members are pretty honest. As far as your idea of having a cheating button made available all that's going to do is create a fury of malcontents constantly accusing their opponents every time they lose a game. I have yet to come across a cheater. Every time I have lost a game it's because I have made less than stellar moves.

BronsteinPawn

Is this what Roosevelt calls capitalism? A chess player with no skills that thinks seeing a 3 move tactic is cheating? Cheaters will not waste their time with you and those who do will be caught easily.

BronsteinPawn

As for why there is not a button. What exactly do you want or expect to happen once the button is clicked? Do you expect a human to check the other player? Do you expect humans to check the millions of reports submitted by you and other similar nutjobs? Who is gonna pay for the humans? Do you expect a computer to go trough all the games and ban the players if certain criteria is met? Who is gonna pay for all the processing power and who is gonna give support to players wrongfully banned? We can certainly add a fake button and let you think you have reported the player to meet your wishes.

Shock_Me
CoffeeAnd420 wrote:

Why is there not a button right there next to the board to report the player for cheating like there is literally anywhere else you can play chess online? Seems like you guys don't want to be bothered with it. Bottom line? The cheating on this site is absolutely RAMPANT and this server is less effective in identifying it and doing something (legitimately doing something) about it than anywhere else you can play chess online.

OP has answered his own question.  Because if it were so easy, the system would be deluged with reports of cheating which represent only the bruised ego of a player who can't accept that he lost to one with a rating that he feels he should have beaten.  It would become more difficult to catch actual cheaters were the site to have to investigate all these false claims. Later, OP claims there is no ego in blitz chess, clearly disproven by his own passion. Further he claims that he no longer reports cheaters because nothing ever happens.  Others attest that cheaters are in fact caught-could it be that OPs reports were investigated and found baseless? When refuting others observations that the games abound in blunders on both sides, he cherry picks one comment, claims they have cherry picked a game where he was just tired and ignores the other comments.  If cheating is so rampant here compared to other sites, why does he stay? Why are cheaters only rated 1100? Were I tasked with finding cheaters, I'd have ignored this guy long ago...

drmrboss
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drmrboss
BronsteinPawn wrote:

As for why there is not a button. What exactly do you want or expect to happen once the button is clicked? Do you expect a human to check the other player? Do you expect humans to check the millions of reports submitted by you and other similar nutjobs? Who is gonna pay for the humans? Do you expect a computer to go trough all the games and ban the players if certain criteria is met? Who is gonna pay for all the processing power and who is gonna give support to players wrongfully banned? We can certainly add a fake button and let you think you have reported the player to meet your wishes.

OMG, best logic of the day! You are legend!

 

Debistro

I can say that the pool on Chess.com is rated lower than other sites. If you have a 1800 or 1900 rating elsewhere, it does not mean you will be rated the same here....more like 1500-1600.

So your low rated 1100-1200 players here, are in fact, 1400...maybe 1500 elsewhere. Don't forget the rating points awarded here for each win, is also LOWER than elsewhere.

Different rating and player pool.

 

 

StanShue
drmrboss wrote:
BronsteinPawn wrote:

As for why there is not a button. What exactly do you want or expect to happen once the button is clicked? Do you expect a human to check the other player? Do you expect humans to check the millions of reports submitted by you and other similar nutjobs? Who is gonna pay for the humans? Do you expect a computer to go trough all the games and ban the players if certain criteria is met? Who is gonna pay for all the processing power and who is gonna give support to players wrongfully banned? We can certainly add a fake button and let you think you have reported the player to meet your wishes.

OMG, best logic of the day! You are legend!

 

I say to this:"Keep dreaming!"

VicountVonJames
Do having to click five buttons, opening a ticket or using "report" through "help", or through the links that staff leave on threads, is too difficult?
VicountVonJames
And if you think many people are cheating at the 10000-1200 level....

Really?
VicountVonJames
#6

I've reported one person- he was banned almost immediately.

Forum users are banned all the time for engine use. Last week I played a game, the guy beat me twice and then insulted me through chat. I was going to go and block him but I found that his account no longer existed 5 minutes later.
VicountVonJames
And it's difficult to cheat in 3-5 min games. What length are your blitz games? I can't tell on iPad.
StanShue
VicountVonJames wrote:
And if you think many people are cheating at the 10000-1200 level....

Really?

You really mean 10000 and not 1000??!

CoffeeAnd420
Debistro wrote:

I can say that the pool on Chess.com is rated lower than other sites. If you have a 1800 or 1900 rating elsewhere, it does not mean you will be rated the same here....more like 1500-1600.

So your low rated 1100-1200 players here, are in fact, 1400...maybe 1500 elsewhere. Don't forget the rating points awarded here for each win, is also LOWER than elsewhere.

Different rating and player pool.

 

 

 

 

And the fact that any of you really believe that Chess.com ratings are lower than everyone else's ratings all of a sudden because Chess.com is the toughest competition online, is ridiculous. This is arguably the softest server online. It always has been as it attracts the most casual of the casual. Only within the last 15 months or so are 1700+ players OTB struggling against 1200 players in blitz here. The blitz games here have gotten harder than some of the pairing pools on another well known commercial server. Once again - If all of these other servers can make reporting cheating a very easy, simple process (since they want to know about it) why can't chess.com? So far, all we really have is "it would be too much work for them". Nonsense. Chess.com is the most expensive chess server on the entire internet. If they aren't doing MORE than the other sites, where's the money going?

 

And yes, in many cases we are talking about blitz games. Guys who play primarily blitz are the super casuals of the Chess world and Chess.com basically only features blitz play at this point. Players who have the time and dedication to spend on legitimately classical chess typically don't see any value in wasting their time by cheating. As for why players would cheat to win in a blitz game: I have absolutely no idea. Nobody cares what anyone's blitz rating is just like nobody cares about your crazyhouse rating.

 

Chess.com doesn't even have a classical time control at this point. Just rapid. The site totally caters to mouse clicking cheaters. It's hard to even call it a chess site anymore. I understand that those of you who pay for this site (no idea why...you can get 10x more for less in several other places) enjoy sticking your heads in the sand and pretending this isn't the worst server online, but it is. It's outdated, archaic, technologically obsolete, and run by people who don't even play chess seriously. All of the other servers are run by titled players.

 

BronsteinPawn

The door is open comrade. Leave before I send you to Siberia cause you will have to even pay for the train ticket.

CoffeeAnd420

[game remove, public accusations are not allowed -- VP]

 

5+5 ...we're on move 16 and the guy's gained 28 seconds. Literally insta moving every move. Either people are legitimately moving that fast now and that means the game's basically pointless and outdated, or the cheating on chess.com is rampant. It's one or the other.

 

It's impossible to stay motivated to care about these games. When you put together the fact that absolutely nothing is riding on them and then that half the time you're being cheated, there's really not much more to see here.

VintagePawn

Some misconceptions.

  1. The site used to start all ratings at 1200. They now range from 400 to 1800.
  2. The USCF does not start ratings at 1200. The process is easy to find online if you are interested. I don't believe FIDE does either.

 

That said, discussions of cheating, potential cheating or cheat detection are not allowed on the general forums. If you would like to have that discussion, join the following group.

 

 

https://www.chess.com/club/cheating-forum

https://support.chess.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1444879-fair-play-on-chess-com-what-you-need-to-know

 

To report a suspected cheater to the Support team, please select Report Abuse under the Help menu, or use this link:  https://support.chess.com/customer/portal/emails/new.

 

All reports are investigated, even if there is no immediate visible action.

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