Would a human EVER make this mistake twice? - Chess Forums - Page 2

king_nothing1

Apr 20, 2013

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NimzoRoy wrote:

king_nothing1 wrote:

Truxton777 wrote:

This person has been accused of engine use by several members

Seriously, where do they make such accusations. As I understand, this site follows 'no name - no shame' policy. I heard people say that a player is being discussed as cheater. Where are such discussion? I was once told that my name being discussed as cheater but never found where and by whom.

http://www.chess.com/groups/home/cheating-forum

Thanks Nimzo, been there. I don't think ppl discuss name there.

Truxton777

Apr 22, 2013

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TetsuoShima wrote:

Truxton777 wrote:

dear_old_chessticles wrote:

Perhaps. An engine certainly wouldn't make this mistake even once.

I believe he is using a weak engine. I have seen weak engines like "stockfish" or even weaker ones, that DO make mistakes like this several times, because they can't find the right moves in the allowed time for blitz.

ARE YOU KIDDING? stockfisch is so strong even when taking less than a second...

Oh, well I have used stockfish several times, and I crush it just about every night when I play against it. So aybe your version of stockfish is stonger than mine...or maybe I should be referencing a weaker engine. I just mean that there ARE weak engines out there, that fall into these kinds of things. Thats all i saying with that.

Truxton777

Apr 22, 2013

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king_nothing1 wrote:

NimzoRoy wrote:

king_nothing1 wrote:

Truxton777 wrote:

This person has been accused of engine use by several members

Seriously, where do they make such accusations. As I understand, this site follows 'no name - no shame' policy. I heard people say that a player is being discussed as cheater. Where are such discussion? I was once told that my name being discussed as cheater but never found where and by whom.

http://www.chess.com/groups/home/cheating-forum

Thanks Nimzo, been there. I don't think ppl discuss name there.

If you look at the persons homepage, about 5 different people posted a note on his page that accused him of useing a "weak engine"...that is where I see other people making th accusations

Truxton777

Apr 22, 2013

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TetsuoShima wrote:

NimzoRoy wrote:

The Fireside Book of Chess has a section on "amazing chess facts" and one of them is about how GM Akiba Rubinstein (one of the greatest players ever) fell into the exact same opening trap TWICE in his life and worse yet the 2nd time was only 2 yrs after the first! So, I don't find the OP here too hard to believe.

Check this out my opponent played the exact same game less than one yr ago - I just followed it out from the Game Explorer but presumed he had some sort of "improvement" up his sleeve

forgetful frank the name just rocks

The huge difference between your example, and this one is the time. The two game were played literally 5 minutes apart...not a whole year.

Truxton777

Apr 22, 2013

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SwedishPawn wrote:

But didnt you do exactly the same moves in exactly the same order too?

Yes, I played the exact same moves because I WON the game, why would I play any different? But from his perspective, why would he play the exact same moves twice over in succession. The only reason I can think is that he wanted his moves to work, but then he found himself stuck in the same trap. This I can see happening. But I can ALSO see happening, is him playing it ON PURPOSE, to eithor lower his rating to ward off suspicion, or he is really just a really bad chess player, and while using his weak engine on and off throught the game, he fell into the same position. Also more impotant is this: This player is rated about 1800 in blitz, and I can confidently say that those movements don't make any sense whatsoever fom anyone that is really in that rating bracket. I have SUSPICION about this person, I am NOT declaring that he is indeed cheating. Just discussing.

Truxton777

Apr 22, 2013

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AndyClifton wrote:

Truxton777 wrote:

I believe he is using a weak engine.

So...if he's using a program to make crappy moves for him, what's the problem?

The problem I have with it, is that in live chess I expect to play a human, not a computer.

Zinsch

Apr 22, 2013

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Truxton777 wrote:

Also more impotant is this: This player is rated about 1800 in blitz, and I can confidently say that those movements don't make any sense whatsoever fom anyone that is really in that rating bracket.

My highest rating in blitz was 1766, and I can confidentely say that I make a lot of stupid one-move-mistakes, because I'm sometimes just not motivated enough to think about a position at all. So yes, even 1800 can blunder.

RetiFan

Apr 22, 2013

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Truxton777 yazmış:

AndyClifton wrote:

Truxton777 wrote:

I believe he is using a weak engine.

So...if he's using a program to make crappy moves for him, what's the problem?

The problem I have with it, is that in live chess I expect to play a human, not a computer.

I would replay same sequence over a hundred times against this player, easy points

Likhit1

Apr 22, 2013

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The content of the notes on someone'wall is mostly irrelevant because too many people mindlessly accuse people of cheating.Notes such as 'Coward doesnt give rematch,block this bitch are all pretty common and only convey their anger,nthin else.'Weak loser uses engine'etc.etc is pretty common too.The notes are a pathetic joke.

Truxton777

Apr 22, 2013

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Likhit1 wrote:

The content of the notes on someone'wall is mostly irrelevant because too many people mindlessly accuse people of cheating.Notes such as 'Coward doesnt give rematch,block this bitch are all pretty common and only convey their anger,nthin else.'Weak loser uses engine'etc.etc is pretty common too.The notes are a pathetic joke.

Yea, I have been accused of cheating by several "angry members" that have lost a blitz game. But this only happened ONCE to me...out of about 600 games. So too see 5 diffeent people accusing the same person via. note on his wall, all within about a months time frame....I highly suspect this person.

Truxton777

Apr 22, 2013

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I think once you get enough people that all post the same kind of note on a persons wall : "Clearly a weak engine user" or "Uses a progam", or "something of that nature"...then you have some reason for suspicion. Of course, there will be the random "bad loser", but when 5 people in a short period say the same thing about a person ( not in anger)...there is reason for suspicion

zltbchess

Apr 22, 2013

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Likhit1

Apr 22, 2013

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Truxton777 wrote:

I think once you get enough people that all post the same kind of note on a persons wall : "Clearly a weak engine user" or "Uses a progam", or "something of that nature"...then you have some reason for suspicion. Of course, there will be the random "bad loser", but when 5 people in a short period say the same thing about a person ( not in anger)...there is reason for suspicion

How did they determin he was using an engine?Did they ever care to report it,Did you ever care to report it?Writing about him using engines on the forums or writing notes on his wall don't accomplish anything,If you really suspect him,you better report or else he will continue cheating(If he does cheat).

Truxton777

Apr 22, 2013

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I did report him. They are following up. Just wanted to hear what you guys think about the situation.

Likhit1

Apr 22, 2013

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Truxton777 wrote:

I did report him. They are following up. Just wanted to hear what you guys think about the situation.

Great!

eddysallin

Apr 22, 2013

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#36

Your complaint is u won two games pretty much the same way ? Sounds like back door bragging.

Knightly_News

Apr 22, 2013

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#37

If you're really lucky, he'll laugh at all your jokes too.

Nao83

Apr 22, 2013

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#38

Accusing somebody of cheating in public is against the rules as much as the act of cheating itself. I know that you did not give his name, but it would be easy for anyone to find that game in your records.

By the way I could make the same mistake twice, expecially if I played a lot and/or I did not sleep.

Truxton777

Apr 25, 2013

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eddysallin wrote:

Your complaint is u won two games pretty much the same way ? Sounds like back door bragging.

Ha, thats funny. The reason I brought it up is because I have seen weak engines do similar kind of stuff, where they find themselves in a lost situation and make a non sense move, because there is no solution. I just wanted to bring up the topic that it is possible for people to cheat with a weak engine, and get away with it. Because the appearance is that they are not cheating, because people do beat them. This post has nothing to do with bragging....If I was bragging, I would have posted the game in the "game showcase" forum. I have nothing to "brag" about in this game, considering how silly the opponent movement was.

Truxton777

Apr 25, 2013

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Nao83 wrote:

Accusing somebody of cheating in public is against the rules as much as the act of cheating itself. I know that you did not give his name, but it would be easy for anyone to find that game in your records.

By the way I could make the same mistake twice, expecially if I played a lot and/or I did not sleep.

Nao83, it would be impossible for someone to view my history and find these games, as I play many 3-0 blitz games, and his games have not been in my history since they have been wiped out. But thank you for the post, I agree...I have done similar mistakes where I find myself in the same opening trap because I wasn't sure what to do. So, considering everyones thoughts, I have decided that there is no real way to determine if he was cheating, only suspicion, which is not at all conclusive. Actually, he probably wasn't cheating. This is the purpose of the forum, to clear up any misconceptions and discuss ethical practice.