hey, do moderators answer our questions here?

ilovesmetuna

the main forums are being well policed by a bunch of intolerant trolls who will stalk you to death if they don't like you anyway happy.png

RonaldJosephCote

 Not me....not any more.meh.png  Like yesterday, we all became aware of "Younggirlnicerack". I gave her some crap but I'm moving on. I DO have another question for M Gleason thow. Bear with me because this just borders on politics. We all know that Facebook said the're gonna police themselves in an effort to keep Russian trolls off their site for the upcoming election. Even Commander Riker said he's working with the RNC to do the same thing with state elections.....God Bless him.happy.png  My question is what is Chess.com doing to keep out unwanted provoquers in that election cycle?  i.e.  I wish an IP check could be made on a guy in OD who flies a flag from Scottland but he will defend Trump on his dying bed. He's just made it WAY too obvious that he IS a Russian troll. Don't look at my posts as being political......look at it as a SECURITY issues. If you're stupid enough to be swayed in an election.....that has nothing to do with Chess.com.wink.png

DeirdreSkye

    The problem is that any hacker knows how to change his IP(it's not that difficult , you can even find instructions in the net if you just google "change IP address"),  so IP check can't help with this and I'm afraid nothing can! "Police work" can't deal with every problem that can appear. People need to be informed and they need to be able to understand when one is trying to mislead them. The problem is that usually the ones that try to mislead say things easy and convenient and let's face it. We prefer easy and convenient. We prefer to buy a "magnetic belt" and "exercise" on our couch while watching tv than go to the gym. We are ready to believe anyone that will claim this "magnetic belt" is better  than the gym. We want to believe that hamburgers and sodas are not bad for our health.  It's convenient  and people like convenient. There are guys claiming to be licenced teachers/trainers and do nothing else except misleading people by telling them what they need to hear.  

            I have to say one more time that it is greatly dissapointing that officially chess.com doesn't even care if various guys try to sell books or other products with scams! A guy advertising a dating site will be banned and his post will be deleted but a guy trying to mislead thousands of chessplayers in order to sell his books will be free to employ any advertising method no matter how unethical it is.

     I am not talking now about the guy that works with chesscafe. There is another guy , Lyudmil Tsvetkov,  who claims that he can beat any engine(when top GMs can't) and posts manufactured games in order to sell his own books which he advertises in the same thread. The same guy claimed that anyone who will read his book 2 times will be a GM. I know that only fools and naive would believe him but when you are ignorant it's easy to be fool and naive. Shouldn't chess.com try to at least warn that the claims of this guy are most likely lies?  

      In a site that claims it wants to promote chess , no one cares! It's a brave new world and we all have to learn to live in it!

   

MGleason

In terms of people trying to influence elections, chess.com simply isn't big enough to be a target, and the restriction on political discussion in the main forums is sufficient.  If some troll wants to stir up a hornets nest in OD, that's for OD admins to deal with if they consider it out of line.  But a Russian troll in OD would probably wouldn't be the craziest guy in there.

 

In terms of people selling things, if it's chess-related, not off-topic, not a competitor, and not excessively spammed, a little bit of advertising is permitted.  We also don't ban bad advice.

Free speech applies to kooks and wackos too.  We've had multiple people make ridiculous over-the-top claims over the years.  If someone wants to make themselves look silly, let them.

DeirdreSkye
MGleason wrote:

In terms of people trying to influence elections, chess.com simply isn't big enough to be a target, and the restriction on political discussion in the main forums is sufficient.  If some troll wants to stir up a hornets nest in OD, that's for OD admins to deal with if they consider it out of line.  But a Russian troll in OD would probably wouldn't be the craziest guy in there.

 

In terms of people selling things, if it's chess-related, not off-topic, not a competitor, and not excessively spammed, a little bit of advertising is permitted.  We also don't ban bad advice.

Free speech applies to kooks and wackos too.  We've had multiple people make ridiculous over-the-top claims over the years.  If someone wants to make themselves look silly, let them.

    This is not the case of the delusional or wacko making stupid claims. We had , still have, many of them. They don't bother me.

It's also not the case of bad advise, we have many of these too.They also don't bother me.

  This is the case of a guy trying to sell books making stupid claims and false promises. There are people that don't understand chess much and believe him. It's like a guy manipulating research results to sell a useless medicine as useful. Wouldn't you like governement to inform people? Or they should say " we don't ban bad advice"?Ok sure,  a bad medicine is very different than a bad book but the unethical advertising methods are the same. The target group of both scams , the naive and the ignorant, is the same.

   Note that this guy has been banned from other sites because of his claims. There are sites that don't tolerate that type of advertising.

    I really don't understand why we/you must allow chess.com to be the safe heaven of every scam book-seller on the planet. Is that why it was created? I do understand freedom of speech and I support it whole-heartidly. But when freedom is abused, it becomes dictatorship.

    Note that I don't have a problem with the book. I have no idea if it is good or bad. My problem is his methods in order to speed up sales(false promises and manufactured games that present him defeating the strongest engines plus claims that he is only one in the planet that can do that). Also note that  I'm not saying ban them or shoot them. But I' m saying that a titled player assigned by chess.com must examine these claims and  inform the people. We are not talking for 2.000 cases here , we are talking for 2-3 cases.

     Things are pretty clear to me. Either this site promotes chess and cares to protect the naive and the ignorants or nobody actually cares or ever cared! And if you don't care why all the rest us should? 

 

   

MGleason

Does anyone really believe anyone who claims to be the strongest player on the planet or that he can beat engines - and that he doesn't even have a title?

DeirdreSkye
MGleason wrote:

Does anyone really believe anyone who claims to be the strongest player on the planet or that he can beat engines - and that he doesn't even have a title?

    You seriously find it weird that there are naive people in this world?

    You have never seen advertisements? You have never seen soda-like refreshments with color and sugar trying to convince you that you will find happiness if you drink it? 

52yrral

Do you really think people drink soda to find happiness?

DeirdreSkye
52yrral wrote:

Do you really think people drink soda to find happiness?

       

      Seriously? We will now start a discussion about the power of advertising?

Is there any doubt that advertising affects consumers in a subconscious level? All advertisments are nothing more than a lie repeated that eventually subconsciously becomes a truth.It doesn't matter how good the product is , all that matters is how you promote it and how you sell it!

 

   

52yrral

And I was dumb enough to think I was thirsty and liked the taste! Silly me,I was only seeking happiness!! happy.png

cyboo

Ok. This thread has become something. And I just wanted to ask a simple, (kind of cheeky) question. Oh yay.  By the way, thanks MGleason for taking the time to talk to some of the people here!

ilovesmetuna

did you ever actually get around to asking that question, man ? meh.png

RonaldJosephCote

  lol...... Yeahevil.png come on, ASK!frustrated.png  M Gleason doesn't have all day.....Chop chop.....winter's coming.  He's got places to go and people to see.angry.png      "This thread has become something".       shock.png Holy CRAP!......we've got legitimacy people.  We're headed for syndication.tongue.png    Wait!......is it KIND of a cheeky question or is it a cheeky question?......because I remember "cheeky chicky". 

Postafi
MGleason wrote:

Does anyone really believe anyone who claims to be the strongest player on the planet or that he can beat engines - and that he doesn't even have a title?

Could test people's credulity by checking how many are happy to click on a suspicious link:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/chess-discord