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GSHAPIROY
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:

But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?


No, but white can play 2.Rg5

2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

Okay, then how about 4. g3?



BigDoggProblem
GSHAPIROY wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:

But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?


No, but white can play 2.Rg5

2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

Okay, then how about 4. g3?

 



4...Qg3+ and 5...BxR instead.

GSHAPIROY
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:

But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?


No, but white can play 2.Rg5

2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

Okay, then how about 4. g3?

 



4...Qg3+ and 5...BxR instead.

And black does not get more than a whole rook

BigDoggProblem
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:

But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?


No, but white can play 2.Rg5

2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

Okay, then how about 4. g3?

 



4...Qg3+ and 5...BxR instead.

And black does not get more than a whole rook

Wrong - white's K is still in grave danger.

Remellion

To be very nitpicky, actually 4...Qxh4+ 5. Kg1 Qe1+ 6. Kh2 and then 6...Qg3+ and 7...Bxe5 picks up an extra pawn. And the attack continues with Q+R+B v poor K+Q.

GSHAPIROY
Remellion wrote:

To be very nitpicky, actually 4...Qxh4+ 5. Kg1 Qe1+ 6. Kh2 and then 6...Qg3+ and 7...Bxe5 picks up an extra pawn. And the attack continues with Q+R+B v poor K+Q.

But it's not as bad for black as 1random's line in post #23

GSHAPIROY
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:

But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?


No, but white can play 2.Rg5

2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

Okay, then how about 4. g3?

 



4...Qg3+ and 5...BxR instead.

And black does not get more than a whole rook

Wrong - white's K is still in grave danger.

That line seems no better for black then winning a rook and losing a piece, he wins the exchange rather than a whole rook.

Remellion

To be very clear, 1random/Houdini's line is the absolute best.

And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR. Like so.

GSHAPIROY

And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR. 


I was imitating BigDoggProblem's line

BigDoggProblem
GSHAPIROY wrote:

And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR. 


I was imitating BigDoggProblem's line

Well, you didn't get the moves right.

GSHAPIROY
Remellion wrote:

To be very clear, 1random/Houdini's line is the absolute best.

And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR. Like so.

 

Well then this:



caveatcanis

@GSHAPIROY This is getting silly. White is completely busted at the end of your line.

GSHAPIROY
caveatcanis wrote:
 

@GSHAPIROY This is getting silly. White is completely busted at the end of your line.

First of all, why not 10. ... Qxf3 in your line? The g-pawn is still pinned so cannot recapture the queen.

Second, why did you title it 1/2 - 1/2?

caveatcanis

@GSHAPIROY First of all, why not 10. ... Qxf3 in your line? The g-pawn is still pinned so cannot recapture the queen.


You're right - that's even better for Black.

GSHAPIROY
caveatcanis wrote:

@GSHAPIROY First of all, why not 10. ... Qxf3 in your line? The g-pawn is still pinned so cannot recapture the queen.


You're right - that's even better for Black.

Yes it certainly is

GSHAPIROY
caveatcanis wrote:
 

@GSHAPIROY This is getting silly. White is completely busted at the end of your line.

10. Kf1