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why update and improve the quality of the game if it is important to get more money from the players?. And chess com is not the most popular site lol. Another free site whose name you can't say because you get banned (freedom of speech lol) is much better than this

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barvinoq wrote:

why update and improve the quality of the game if it is important to get more money from the players?. And chess com is not the most popular site lol. Another free site whose name you can't say because you get banned (freedom of speech lol) is much better than this

 

No one is banned for mentioning other sites.  Pretty sure chess.com ranks #1 on most metrics as well 

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barvinoq wrote:

why update and improve the quality of the game if it is important to get more money from the players?. And chess com is not the most popular site lol. Another free site whose name you can't say because you get banned (freedom of speech lol) is much better than this

Don't let evidence get in the way of your beliefs. Lichess is number 2, well behind chessdotcom.
https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/united-states/category/games/board-and-card-games/

Compare total visits:

Lichess--86.3 million https://www.similarweb.com/website/lichess.org/#overview

Chessdotcom--157.7 million https://www.similarweb.com/website/chess.com/#overview

 

 

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What bothers me the most about chesscom is that they take our money and then don't put it back into the development end of things, but rather give it away as prizes for tournaments most of us ignore, with commentators most of us ignore. Just a massive waste simply to buy a seat at the table.

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Ziryab wrote:
Pulpofeira wrote:

Nope, @batgirl is not active anymore.

She has become much more active on Facebook lately.

Who is she?

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Ian_Rastall wrote:

What bothers me the most about chesscom is that they take our money and then don't put it back into the development end of things, but rather give it away as prizes for tournaments most of us ignore, with commentators most of us ignore. Just a massive waste simply to buy a seat at the table.

 

The site is constantly working on the development side of the site. 

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Martin_Stahl wrote:
Ian_Rastall wrote:

What bothers me the most about chesscom is that they take our money and then don't put it back into the development end of things, but rather give it away as prizes for tournaments most of us ignore, with commentators most of us ignore. Just a massive waste simply to buy a seat at the table.

 

The site is constantly working on the development side of the site. 

Yes, and this "they take our money..." nonsense from non-paying members, who always just sound cynical and dismissive. The site is well worth paying for at least a star membership if only to get rid of the ads.

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DrSpudnik wrote:

Yes, and this "they take our money..." nonsense from non-paying members

I don't use the diamond flair because I don't like using flair.

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Ian_Rastall wrote:

What bothers me the most about chesscom is that they take our money and then don't put it back into the development end of things, but rather give it away as prizes for tournaments most of us ignore, with commentators most of us ignore. Just a massive waste simply to buy a seat at the table.

I wish some requests from literal 2020 were honored… that’s all…

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Roadchessmaster12345 wrote:

Well chess.com has nearly 100 million members on this site, it is really hard to have the system keep track of everything all at once

Looking back on what I wrote, the main point is that buying a seat at the table benefits the people who own and run the site, but it doesn't actually bring us any benefit.

Talking strictly idealistic and unrealistic, if they give out a million bucks as prize money, that's also money that could be put into hiring a lot of people to do busy work, like improving the games database. Or it could pay for the massive bandwidth required to finally give us access to all the games at once, a la the Lichess Database, or the massive bandwidth required to allow us to download all the PGNs from a particular library or user with one button-click, instead of a hundred.

Chesscom could do some serious work on the video content, some serious work on the lessons, add in more puzzles, add *closed captions* for the videos, for goodness' sake, which should have been a big priority. Also, the majority of the videos/lessons for users of other languages have text in their own language and video/audio still in English. 

Improved search. Game review for all the variants. Someone the other day mentioned looking about in the Microsoft Store for a desktop version of the web app, a la the Android app. But there isn't one. Not a big demand, but if one person was looking then probably others were too.

I just don't think we need *new* features, and I don't think we need clout. It would just be nice to have the most vital parts of the site improved on regularly.

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Ian_Rastall wrote:

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I just don't think we need *new* features, and I don't think we need clout. It would just be nice to have the most vital parts of the site improved on regularly.

 

What's considered vital is going to differ member by member. Also, some things likely never will happen, either due to overall cost, work and maintenance effort, high load, complexity, limited utility, small demographic, or some combination of those.

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Ian_Rastall wrote:
Roadchessmaster12345 wrote:

Well chess.com has nearly 100 million members on this site, it is really hard to have the system keep track of everything all at once

Looking back on what I wrote, the main point is that buying a seat at the table benefits the people who own and run the site, but it doesn't actually bring us any benefit.

Talking strictly idealistic and unrealistic, if they give out a million bucks as prize money, that's also money that could be put into hiring a lot of people to do busy work, like improving the games database. Or it could pay for the massive bandwidth required to finally give us access to all the games at once, a la the Lichess Database, or the massive bandwidth required to allow us to download all the PGNs from a particular library or user with one button-click, instead of a hundred.

Chesscom could do some serious work on the video content, some serious work on the lessons, add in more puzzles, add *closed captions* for the videos, for goodness' sake, which should have been a big priority. Also, the majority of the videos/lessons for users of other languages have text in their own language and video/audio still in English. 

Improved search. Game review for all the variants. Someone the other day mentioned looking about in the Microsoft Store for a desktop version of the web app, a la the Android app. But there isn't one. Not a big demand, but if one person was looking then probably others were too.

I just don't think we need *new* features, and I don't think we need clout. It would just be nice to have the most vital parts of the site improved on regularly.

 

I think this comment of yours does a better job of hitting the mark: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/for-beginners/is-the-chess-com-diamond-membship-worth-the-price#comment-72930191

 

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Ian_Rastall wrote:

. . . Or it could pay for the massive bandwidth required to finally give us access to all the games at once, a la the Lichess Database, . . .

 

I have found myself using this feature at Lichess once or twice recently. Gotham uses it a lot.

I suppose an opening book of games played by players who don't understand chess has some use. It is entertaining. For instance, it is fun to see how many people have lost with exactly the same moves that were identified as errors in 1497.

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Ziryab wrote:

Of course a diamond membership is worth it. *And* the money could be used more wisely. It's not like it's required, but there is a *bit* of an understanding that the site costs what it does because of what it offers.

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Ziryab wrote: the average chess player on chessdotcom is substantially below average

Yeah, he/she convincingly loses to himself/herself.

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Ziryab wrote:

I suppose an opening book of games played by players who don't understand chess has some use. It is entertaining. For instance, it is fun to see how many people have lost with exactly the same moves that were identified as errors in 1497.

I hit on a solution to this two days ago, after combining the Lichess Elite db for the years 2013-2021 in ChessBase and then filtering on strong games. That gave me a db big enough to turn it into a massive, 15 GB CTG that essentially does what their opening book does but with everything but the best games removed.

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Ian_Rastall wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

I suppose an opening book of games played by players who don't understand chess has some use. It is entertaining. For instance, it is fun to see how many people have lost with exactly the same moves that were identified as errors in 1497.

I hit on a solution to this two days ago, after combining the Lichess Elite db for the years 2013-2021 in ChessBase and then filtering on strong games. That gave me a db big enough to turn it into a massive, 15 GB CTG that essentially does what their opening book does but with everything but the best games removed.

And What do you mean?

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This idea has already been done lol

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B1ZMARK wrote:

This idea has already been done lol

What do you mean

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bolt48 wrote:

Hi (: from here, we will make a challenge (: Ban the person that coments above you!

This means, Every person that coments above your coment (before) send a report to chess and say: It's for a ''challenge''

I created a different forum, If you want to talk there too!

Link: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general-chess-discussion/ban-the-person-that-coments-above-you-73098639#comment-73098639 

 

Sending reports for fun isn't a good idea surprise