Controversial Topic (Creation vs Evolution 2?)

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hitthepin wrote:

Doesn’t Genesis 1:2 say “The Earth was without form, and void;”? And therefore, the Bible claims that God created everything out of nothing?

yes it does

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hitthepin wrote:

Doesn’t Genesis 1:2 say “The Earth was without form, and void;”? And therefore, the Bible claims that God created everything out of nothing?

That says the earth was created out of nothing, not the universe.

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hitthepin wrote:

Doesn’t Genesis 1:2 say “The Earth was without form, and void;”? And therefore, the Bible claims that God created everything out of nothing?

Oh hi htp

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@ gingerninja2003

The Holy Scriptures explains Truth and it’s opposer. Every bit of the confliction you read in it is from that rebel that wanted to be his own god, and is the cause of all chaos, dismay and turmoil, and Jesus said he’s a liar and the father of it, so that goes to show you where such began, that rebelling angel. Civilization would’ve been in complete harmony and joy, like a normal family upbringing, children always unconditionally loved and cared for had there never such an idiot to strife Truth & Intelligence.

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TheBestBeer_Root wrote:

The Holy Scriptures explains Truth and it’s opposer. Every bit of the confliction you read in it is from that rebel that wanted to be his own god, and is the cause of all chaos, dismay and turmoil, and Jesus said he’s a liar and the father of it, so that goes to show you where such began, that rebelling angel. Civilization would’ve been in complete harmony and joy, like a normal family upbringing, children always unconditionally loved and cared for had there never such an idiot to strife Truth & Intelligence.

So basically everything you don't like about the bible was put their by some nutter angel and all the occasional good bits were put their by god. 

The evidence for this is????????????

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hitthepin wrote:

Doesn’t Genesis 1:2 say “The Earth was without form, and void;”? And therefore, the Bible claims that God created everything out of nothing?

it says that NOW.  But it didn't say that when it was written.  

 

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I wonder what percentage of the bible is mis-translated. Probably most of it, and yet it's the basis of a lot of people's lives. (pretty much everyone with monotheistic beliefs anyway).

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Why would it be mis-translated?

I personally know Greek, and I assure you that the New Testament at least isn't mistranslated. I don't know Hebrew so I can't say for myself but I have no idea why the Old Testament would be. 

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@ gingerninja2003

I’m saying God is Unconditional Love, and every bit of confliction in His Scriptures is the opposer, the individual that caused even such a word as ‘oppose’.

 

Jesus CLEARLY showed this while crying aloud his prayer to his Father as he was nailed to a beam, and another beam his hands nailed, forming a cross, asking Him to forgive them, for they knew not what they were doing, expressing COMPLETE EXEMPLIFICATION Of Unconditional Love, and not once a thing of vengeance, nor wrath, but even for those who placed him there before such a prayer, not asking God to put those who terribly tortured him into a much more fervency than those who’s already in such agulfness, nope, NOTHING BUT FORGIVENESS, SHOWING WHAT THE SON OF GOD IS, THE TRUE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF HIS FATHER and he asked his followers to do as he because that’s how they were created in the very first chapter of Genesis, God’s image and likeness. Anyone can choose such. THAT IS LIFE 

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jaredjm wrote:

Why would it be mis-translated?

I personally know Greek, and I assure you that the New Testament at least isn't mistranslated. I don't know Hebrew so I can't say for myself but I have no idea why the Old Testament would be. 

Because the ancient Hebrew the old testament was written in is hard to translate.

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Hard, maybe, but by no means impossible. 

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With God, all things are possible, that’s got to be recalled.

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....so He certainly is going to be who ORDAINS what’s to BE Ordained and distributed abroad to His children, whomsoever has eyes to see and ears to hear.

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jaredjm wrote:

Hard, maybe, but by no means impossible. 

once a mistranslation has been accepted as doctrine, the church has no choice but to claim it as truth forever.

They can't go around admitting that the word of god is unreliable

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Truth Is Ever Reliable and God certainly has the ability to make sure His Scriptures that are Holy are proper.

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There is conflict over if Eve was made from Adam's rib or the more vague 'side.'

The Hebrew word chayil has been translated to mean strength when describing men but virtue when describing women in the bible.

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TheBestBeer_Root wrote:

Truth Is Ever Reliable and God certainly has the ability to make sure His Scriptures that are Holy are proper.

No-one I've heard of has claimed god has spoken to them when translating the bible.

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regi-mental wrote:
jaredjm wrote:

Hard, maybe, but by no means impossible. 

once a mistranslation has been accepted as doctrine, the church has no choice but to claim it as truth forever.

They can't go around admitting that the word of god is unreliable

No, they just admit that they mistranslated it. I've taken Latin, and translating stuff in between Latin and English can be hard! I was only translating a few sentences for each exercise, but they have to translate the whole Bible! Errors are going to creep in. So, the translators keep going back to the originals (or as close as they can get), and redo them. And, if they find a mistake, they fix it in the new translation. If people find out that they have doctrine based on incorrectly translated text, then the doctrine changes. That's what we do, because we as people are flawed and can't get a perfect translation of the original Bible.

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The translation we have now is very strong. I feel very confident in it. 

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even jesus' name is a mistranslation.

when will they redo that?

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