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noodles2112 wrote:

Occam's Razor Elroch ---

heliocentric theory(s) require far too many assumptions !

I suppose I’ll list down some assumptions required by geocentrism:

-Requires a shadowy cabal (will be elaborated on) to have steered the events in the world for at least a couple hundred years.

-‘They’ (the shadowy cabal) are engaged in manipulating anyone and anything of importance, despite said people of importance being part of the cabal and therefore cooperative.

-‘They’ have successfully hidden the true nature of the relationship between the Earth and the Sun for at least a few centuries, employing at least the equivalent of tens of trillions of USD to gain something yet unknown.

-‘They’ have managed to ensure that absolutely nobody involved in anything pertaining to the cosmos can leak stuff, making their cover-up easily the largest and most successful in history. For inscrutable reasons, ‘they’ allow the idea of FE to spread online anyway.

-The engineering the human race does works despite the physics behind being wrong. Or all the engineers are in it as well.

This has nothing to say of the multiple pieces of evidence against FE, I’m just pointing out its implausibility.

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I understand they tell us the sun is much further distant & larger than the moon - that does not negate the fact that the sun/moon are observed to be the same size by every single human on the face of the earth - as well as every single human on earth observing the exact same "side/face of the moon" forevermore ---- but they tell us the moon is rotating in perfect sync with a rotating earth & that is why the same side of the moon is only visible to humans on earth -------------------------------------------------------- a dubious claim indeed!

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AG120502 -- only takes a few to fool multitudes - its very simple actually - "dissemination of information" is "top-down" not "bottom-up" -

it's like this - the theory of "everyone would have to be in on it"-- is juvenile logic - it would be tantamount to claiming "privates in the military know everything 4-star generals know or janitors working for large companies/corporations e.g. Amazon etc. knows everything the CEO"s/board members know" -

obviously - that would be absurd & preposterous to believe !

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noodles2112 wrote:

I understand they tell us the sun is much further distant & larger than the moon - that does not negate the fact that the sun/moon are observed to be the same size by every single human on the face of the earth

No. The large majority understand that how big something appears is the result of its size and its distance. For objects that don't subtend a large angle,

ANGLE SUBTENDED = DIAMETER / DISTANCE

is an excellent approximation.

You see how the distance is just as important as the diameter?

I should point out that when you dispute this, it is like someone claiming they don't believe the 5 times table. It requires an unusual combination of arrogance and ignorance.

You need to try to understand this in order not to appear foolish.

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AG120502 -- only takes a few to fool multitudes - its very simple actually - "dissemination of information" is "top-down" not "bottom-up" -

it's like this - the theory of "everyone would have to be in on it"-- is juvenile logic - it would be tantamount to claiming "privates in the military know everything 4-star generals know or janitors working for large companies/corporations . Amazon etc. knows everything the CEO"s/board members know" -

obviously - that would be absurd & preposterous to believe !

Saying ‘top-down’ doesn’t make the idea of a multi-century long propaganda and cover-up campaign with no whistleblowers any likelier. You have to understand that at least millions of people will have known enough to be uncomfortable, and that’s probably a low estimate.

The fact is that choosing to consider basic physics as invalid means claiming all of our engineering is based on made-up stuff, and still works. 

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Elroch -- we were all showed a toy globe in school at the earliest of age & told ----
----------------"This is Where YOU Live!" -- inundated with heliocentrism/toy globes from cradle to grave - never thinking to question it for the rest of our lives - that doesn't make it true !

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AG1 - theoretical physics & physics are NOT one & the same !

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noodles2112 wrote:

Elroch -- we were all showed a toy globe in school at the earliest of age & told ----
----------------"This is Where YOU Live!" -- inundated with heliocentrism/toy globes from cradle to grave - that doesn't make it true !

Children usually require simplified explanations, and it’s acceptable to an extent. Real propaganda campaigns have had very different motives. How have the people orchestrating this supposed cover-up benefited from the change in behaviour? Because IRL there are very clear benefits to the organisers.

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AG1 - theoretical physics & physics are NOT one & the same !

Newton’s laws are far from being chalkboard math, to borrow your phrase. Like I’ve pointed out earlier, a lot of engineering is based on physics, and we humans have accomplished great feats of engineering. Besides, I’ve never heard of a model proposed in FE that actually surpasses the usefulness of Newton’s laws.

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for one thing there is no money in a geostationary level earth - heliocentrism requires an abundance of faith/trust/subservience from the masses -- in "assumed authority" / "scientific community" - the masses Must "appeal to authority" when it comes to heliocentrism !

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AG1 - theoretical physics on the chalkboard - transpiring into tangible reality - is no longer theoretical. e.g. engineered automobile blueprints to the factories that manufacture them that anyone can verify for themselves !