nirvana & meditation

By the mind I mean we can notice how we thing and too we can notice how we conceptualise problems and solutions . Just like I can notice the sounds of the sea I can notice the form of my thoughts and conceived problems and solutions .

  It's not that simple, because once we observe things, judgment comes immediately into play: this is bad, that is good--so the observation is normally colored by judgment.

That's interesting Troy . But then truth exist even if truth is ever changing and it's healthy to see that.

It's funny though I can relate a little to what you're saying this morning .

I clashed with a fellow trainer and now I'm thinking should I train or not .

Instead of just accepting what is .

Still again I think it's healthy to be aware of the truth .

I think that our preferences become less important and we find the truth though

We'll always have personal tastes .
Troy you might be right .

I accept perhaps I might be missing part of the equation and as you say the whole picture.

But you know I can find my own little bit of peace and it's interesting to compare my experience with you .

I'm just going to be an op on one thread so I won't post here again . Thanks for the posts .

  That's just it, Tom. We settle for 'a little bit of peace' and so we miss the truth. We reason that a bit of peace is better than no peace and constant conflict, although some find no peace if no conflict is happening...

  Truth is not a little bit of peace, Tom.

  Also, in this field training implies forcing the mind to see something it doesn't on its own. But seeing needs freedom, not enforcement which only dulls the mind, instead of sharpening it.

  And does it matter what a guy named poldi said or what the facts are? We can look for ourselves and we can see that where hate is love cannot be, nor does hate ever become love by transforming itself by following a blueprint born of hate.

I like what you are saying Troy and I can relate to it . I personally found mapping extremely helpful . I couldn't function before I mapped . Got so lost you know . I'd never destroy my map.

But if you've found a greater peace good luck to you

  There are no levels, despite Nikprit's belief: there is no such thing as a 'greater peace'--there is peace and there is a lack of it, although it might appear as peace, the illusions are countless.

  The map itself has nothing to do with a truth that never rests, even for a moment. A map could find a stagnant state one may call peace, but anything static contains resistance. Truth is never ever static, no map can pin it down.

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Nikprit you've talked to me a lot about evidence . Where is your evidence that Troy is wrong ?

You've talked about your own experience and that's fine but Troy is saying that an absolute peace exists .

I have a feeling you'd agree you haven't achieved that so how can you know definitively that Troy is misguided .

I personally see where he's coming from . Though I'm sure this is entirely to capture it wrong .

As there is no self how can there be a way to the truth , a way to peace ?

I have my own method to achieving peace Nikprit which I know you absolutely scorn and I'd love that to be the way .

I have a feeling though Troy is right and that peace isn't something you can seek but rather is something that just occurs .

Sorry Troy if I got things completely wrong .

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I just asked about it ! What I can't challenge something I ask about ?!

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okay I'm just going to post on tomtryto stay going forward. Thank you for posting everyone. 

  It just occurs, yet you say you have a method...Are you talking about a 'little peace', as you said earlier? Because by insisting on a little peace, you are closing the door to the whole thing.

  So it doesn't 'just occurs', if you have a method: you induce it yourself. Is that possible? For conflict to induce peace?