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All I said was give people free will and let them choose how to do things
Nothing wrong with that😄
yeah true
And children have no reason to get these ridiculous boosters
The idea that an unvaxxed person is a risk to a vaccinated person is so unbelievable
It’s like something out of a comedy
It’s like something out of a comedy
From the Lancet. Perhaps a the most respected journal of medicine:
“There is increasing evidence that vaccinated individuals continue to have a relevant role in transmission. In Massachusetts, USA, a total of 469 new COVID-19 cases were detected during various events in July, 2021, and 346 (74%) of these cases were in people who were fully or partly vaccinated, 274 (79%) of whom were symptomatic. Cycle threshold values were similarly low between people who were fully vaccinated (median 22·8) and people who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median 21·5), indicating a high viral load even among people who were fully vaccinated.2”
“There is increasing evidence that vaccinated individuals continue to have a relevant role in transmission. In Massachusetts, USA, a total of 469 new COVID-19 cases were detected during various events in July, 2021, and 346 (74%) of these cases were in people who were fully or partly vaccinated, 274 (79%) of whom were symptomatic. Cycle threshold values were similarly low between people who were fully vaccinated (median 22·8) and people who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median 21·5), indicating a high viral load even among people who were fully vaccinated.2”
Jan 19, 2022
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#207
Jul4_1776 wrote:
All I said was give people free will and let them choose how to do things
What does this mean exactly ?
Free will doesn't already exist ?
Its for others to 'give it' ?
There's an air force base ... a civilian visitor wants to visit the base - climb into the cockpits of the fighter jets ...
Checkpoint: "Commander - we have a visitor without ID - he wants to enter the base and get into the planes"
Commander: "Well you know we 'give' free will and 'let people decide how to do things' ... so let him in - let him do what he wants."
Checkpoint: "Visitor - you can enter. Go where you want. Take what you want. We're 'giving' you free will."
Visitor: "Amazing you'd even hesitate. You made me wait. My rights have been infringed upon."
Checkpoint: "You can go in our medical faculties and our personnel housing too. Mingle with our personnel. You don't have to wear a mask. You don't have to show any vaccination ID or test results.
After all - you have 'free will'"
Visitor: "Its disgusting you'd even suggest the concepts of mask and vaccination requirements.
Don't you know a free people have the right to spread Covid and to also set an example to others to go ahead and not take any precautions ? How dare you even suggest not giving 'free will' to do so?
Are you trying to suggest you and your families have a right to live?"
How anti-vaxxers sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hCLWtEHL8&ab_channel=GirlPantsProductions
Boy have I heard some gobbledygook on this thread, someone here needs to wake up to the dangers that this virus poses to people .
Oh an btw I thought this thread was about Djokovic ! ……just saying !
What have you heard?
I just posted comments from peer reviewed and published paper claiming the vaccinated and unvaxxed BOTH spread the virus really no differently.
And it’s from RECENTLY not a year ago.
What part of it do you disagree with?
I just posted comments from peer reviewed and published paper claiming the vaccinated and unvaxxed BOTH spread the virus really no differently.
And it’s from RECENTLY not a year ago.
What part of it do you disagree with?
Jan 19, 2022
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#211
And there it is ... 'peer review'.
'Our link against your link'
There are even people who claim that 'viruses don't spread diseases'.
And those who claim the moon doesn't exist.
Anybody can always ask - 'what part of our claims do you disagree with?'
Djokovic has been deported.
Perhaps his future situations will be used as a springboard to discuss Covid in the public forums.
Perhaps there's other Covid public forums ... but Covid is heavily linked to politics unfortunately.
Jan 19, 2022
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#212
Woollensock2 wrote:
Oh an btw I thought this thread was about Djokovic ! ……just saying !
I haven't checked as to whether there's 'Covid' public forums on the site.
Perhaps there is.
Djokovic being deported is a victory for the right to live.
Hopefully - other countries will keep him out.
How can they afford to let him in ? Tennis player ?
Should croquet players get exemptions too?
How about shuffleboard players have total exemptions?
No visas required and no regulations for foreign shuffleboarders?
#211
exactly and this is why I think it's useless to continue this conversation. people can only see vaccinated/unvaccinated people as a black or white situation.
they even prefer to blindly let 90% of all people travel instead of testing everyone (which is a lot safer)
yet the "I am vaccinated so I am safe" and the "you are not vaccinated so a danger (even if you tested yourself and got a negative result)" way of thinking is what the real danger is
comedy like you said
exactly and this is why I think it's useless to continue this conversation. people can only see vaccinated/unvaccinated people as a black or white situation.
they even prefer to blindly let 90% of all people travel instead of testing everyone (which is a lot safer)
yet the "I am vaccinated so I am safe" and the "you are not vaccinated so a danger (even if you tested yourself and got a negative result)" way of thinking is what the real danger is
comedy like you said
Peer reviewed and published is not “my link against your link”
It’s “experts and professionals from the most respected medical journal vs your opinion(which you also got from a link but just didn’t share)”
It’s “experts and professionals from the most respected medical journal vs your opinion(which you also got from a link but just didn’t share)”
Jan 19, 2022
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#215
Somebody wants it to be 'my link versus your link'.
Somebody wants it to be 'my peer review versus your peer review'
Somebody wants to push the idea that Australia having done over 20 times as well as the US in reducing Covid deaths per million population ' doesn't matter.
Somebody wants to push an idea that Australia's government is going by 'opinions'.
Maybe viruses spreading diseases or the moon existing are opinions too?
And maybe the validity of those facts is to be settled by 'my peer review links versus your peer review links'?
Djokovic is deported.
But maybe that's an opinion too?
Amogus
Somebody wants everyone here to accept the reality that unvaccinated people do not spread the virus any more than vaccinated people.
That’s a half truth, you can still get covid with the vaccine it’s just not likely and you won’t die
Jan 19, 2022
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#219
playerafar wrote:
That's poorly thought out - or not thought out at all ...
that the vaccinated would 'transmit to the same degree'
If you're protected by vaccination - you won't have the virus as long ...
your immune system is killing it - fast.
So obviously a vaccinated person is less likely to transmit over time.
He/she - while having 'viral load' - would be coughing and exhaling out as much virus?
One can publish as many 'peer reviews' as one wants and its not going to defy logic.
Its not going to make 2 + 2 = 5 ...
Unfortunately - so many people don't go by logical evidence.
So many decide by what they like to be told ...
I thought this might happen.
For a while the Djokovic thread was about politics ...
Now maybe - its going to be about Covid Disinformation.
Such Disinformation has cost many lives.
For example - in the United States - where Covid deaths per million run at over 20 times the deaths per million in Australia.
Australia - a country that has fought both Covid and Covid disinformation.
Effectively.
But now - perhaps one very rich and famous person is going to overturn the effort ...
That already happened in the US ... a very rich and famous person sabotaging the fight against Covid - but he was a politician. Was.
Now its a private person - championing anti-vaccination.
Hopefully he'll be doing so from Serbia only.
Update: Djokovic deported and good thing.
Reality: Australia has done much better than the US and the UK regarding Covid.
Its 'concentration camp' to protect one's borders?
Reality: the previous US president did eventually close US borders.
Does that mean he was making the US a 'concentration camp'?
Reality: the Australian government has done better with its 'peer reviews' (and logical evidence) - than the US government and the British government has done with their 'peer reviews'.
Possible future reality:
the French Open and the US Open might be closed to Djokovic and other unvaccinateds.
But Wimbledon (UK) might be open to Djokovic if they're going by some tunnel vision Lancet 'peer reviews' that crassly mispresent the situations regarding vaccinations and masks and social distancing and other measures against Covid.
Ironic that Covid disinformation leading to more pandemic also leads to more lockdowns that the Covid disinformation people then complain about.