Has Light got a decay factor?

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You are the typical ignoramus.  You will not waste my time any longer.  No more communication with you

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Thanks, Fieldsofforce.  Actually you are the one wasting your time.  But thanks anyway.

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Shall we debate? 

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Sure !!  Why is the redshift "strong proof " that light has no decay factor ?

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RPaulB wrote:

Sure !!  Why is the redshift "strong proof " that light has no decay factor ?

I am wondering the same thing.

3 paragraphs.

RPaulB and HolographWars and Iknowthemoves vs. fieldofforce

We will each write one paragraph. I guess fieldofforce can write all three. He is physicist after all.

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I am an amateur physicist.  I have no physics or math degree.  I am self taught.

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fieldsofforce wrote:

I am an amateur physicist.  I have no physics or math degree.  I am self taught.

Oh thought you were.

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ok .  But if you don't mind , I don't think I will team with anyone.  

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I started with a form of a question that has been asked by human beings from the beginning of time.

The question is:   Why is there something rather than nothing?

or How do you get something from nothing?

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fieldsofforce wrote:

I started with a form of a question that has been asked by human beings from the beginning of time.

The question is:   Why is there something rather than nothing?

or How do you get something from nothing?

Rebuttal: You can have something from nothing, since as you said, the universe is infinite. So, there must be a place where it is possible. Black holes, for example, have extreme gravity narrowed down to a certain point. The point is very small, but even light cannot escape it. A white hole has objects thrown from it, and it seems like... objects just come out from nothing!

 

The Red Shift is very strong proof that a Big Bang has occurred. Edwin Hubble first observed it in the early 20th century. This means that galaxies are moving away from Earth. Some galaxies are blue-shifted, but there are not many of those exceptions. Therefore, the universe is close to infinite, with approximately 100 billion galaxies in it, but not quite infinite. Red shift is not only a directional indication. It is very real and alive today. 

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HW you wanted to keep this small, short, you too please.  Just part of your first line. "You can have something from nothing,"  Two points. !. Nothing does NOT EXIST. 2. You can not get something if it did. Because energy is not conserved.  So , which of the two do you want to work on ?  Does nothing exist or is energy conserved ?

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Intergalactical space has a density less than one atom per cubic meter.

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HW;  this is your idea. I think it's great.  Keep it short, simple.  You started.  We are answering the FIRST part of your FIRST line.  Does nothing exist ?  What has your last statement to do with that ?        **********      I hate myself when I do this.    The first line of the second note, YES, one atom per cubic meter, AND 10**105 space particles (spocks), so see, that cubic meter is pretty dense, full of particles.   (And that's not counting the neutrinos, gravitons or photons)

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Let's start by establishing the standard for what is a physics fact.

The 3 legged stool has always been my standard:

1. An observation of a physical phenomena in the universe

2. Repeated Peer review of observation that is consistent with the initial observation

3. A mathematical proof of the theory that is rigorous and waterproof

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I'll go along with 1 (one) .    How am I going to get repeated reviews (2) on a theory of everything ?   If everyone already is right, we wouldn't be here.  AND THAT PROVES that NO ONE knows what the hell is going on. The more people , the less is agreed upon.   Which is a point for me.   And 3 , your math is already WRONG if you assume  time and distance are continuous.   BUT if you have good conditions I will follow.  It would seem like the continuous, discrete is a/the major problem.   FOF;  Example, I already told you there are 100 DIFFERENT theories on gravity. What peer review can you get from that ?  99% disagree with GR.  And you use GR, are you going to use Peer review to prove your points and that GR is correct ?

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RPaulB wrote:

"You can have something from nothing," Two points. !. Nothing does NOT EXIST. 2. You can not get something if it did. Because energy is not conserved.

You do accept that the condition of no space and no time CANNOT exist.

I have a question for you:  Do you know why the condition of no space and no time cannot exist?  If you know please tell me.  If it is simply  that energy is not conserved then please confirm that. I have a theory why and it deals with your time and distance issue.

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FoF:  Go slow.  I said nothing can not exist.  No space can exist.  No time can exist,  and in fact both conditions still do occur.  Energy is always conserved, if you consider ALL the modes that energy can take.   One mode is it appears to come from nowhere, so that when it goes back to that state , it appears to go to  nowhere. However that nowhere is unused time.  Unused time is time that is NOT changing.  And if you read my writing I call that place Zu.  Help any ?

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Do you have degree in physics or mathematics.  If so, from what college or university?

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Yes,   Saint Norberts  College, a school for priests in Green Bay Wis.. 

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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/26/star-spotted-speeding-near-milky-way-black-hole-for-first-time

At last. Proof of gravitational Red Shifting . This is first time it has been observed . Spagettified light which is consistant with and predicted by the Unified Model. Every single piece of new data that has been collected on this thread over the last few years is consistant with the Unified Model.