what are we?

Troy 79 I have the two approaches . Firstly I like talking through things here and secondly I enjoy just watching myself noticing things and making sense of things that way.

So I try the two approaches . I'm going to document what I see in the quietness on my mindfulness thread .

Some 80 .

I think that we are the world . That everything is natural ( not divine ) and that everything about us including our thoughts, feelings and behaviours are as natural and inevitable as the rain . There's no need to hate anything is what I think .

What happened to the chorus?

This is serious for me!

So no singing? :-(

Okay you can sing !

(#87) There's no need to hate anything is what I think .

Oh yes there is. I can't stand racists.

Ah but that's because you are missing information .

If you understood that the behave of a racist was a result of a natural cause

Then you'd realise there's no need to hate .

It's like hating the rain, it makes no sense .

It's this false idea of free will that leads to the feeling of hate

lol

I understand what you mean that it's awful when people are cruel . It's tragic sure . Like when a flood drowns villagers , but this hate thing comes from a lack of understanding . Everything is natural (not divine ). To understand everything is to hate nothing .

Really .

Like its this way .

We human beings create supernatural ideas because we aren't fully aware of the natural facts . We fill in the blanks with God . Create confusion for ourselves .

It's the same with this hate thing . When we move away from accepting that absolutely everything is natural (not divine ) , including all human thought , feeling and behaviour , then we create this things should be different feeling .

But the reality is that things are as they naturally must be and that's just the way it is . It's silly to hate .

I'd like to talk a bit about this hate thing though . I want to talk about my own experience . Tell you how it is for me .

I never worry . (That reminds me of the Paul Simon lyric , I never worry. Why should I ? It's all going to fail.- positive lyric !) .

I never worry . I think perhaps as a result of that I never hate . I'd say that hate comes through from working ourselves up . In fact it's simpler than that . I have a feeling that Ghostess recognises the truth of what I'm about to say, though I know people think I'm crazy to believe it .

Love is who we naturally are . I'm still not entirely sure how this is true but I know it's true . I've seen it long enough and often enough to know it's true .

We don't have to try not to hate , try to love , love is who we naturally are . That's what I've found , my experience.

I really like what someone posted on one of my earlier threads . They said love is what you find in the quiet moments and that's true .

Part of how I enjoy these threads is I enjoy talking through how things are for me . I can accept that isn't always the most coherent posts to read . Basically I'm talking through my confusion . Anyway I wanted to talk a little about my experience and my confusion iro choice .

Well I'm fairly certain that free will doesn't exist . However though it might sound nonsensical I can see choice does exist . I'd like to talk a little about how I experience choice .

Well really for me there is basically only one choice that exists . That's what I find for me personally .

The choice I perceive is this .

When my mind conceives a problem I get a choice whether or not to solve it .

That's it really . I go through my day basically aware from time to time that I have the choice whether or not to worry . I always choose not to though .

It feels to me like I'm just watching myself acting my life out . Like watching a movie.

I think it would feel more like I was making choices if I worried about things but I have a feeling I'd probably make the exact same decisions if I worried that I'm making not worrying .

I sometimes am sort of aware of another type of choice . The choice whether or not to have someone in my life . For example I'm not in touch with my father and I guess I'm aware that I could change that .

But to be honest that's more just an awareness that my life could be different than a choice as such for me .

I think really the only choice I perceive really is whether or not to worry .

It helps me to accept choice exists because I find I'm far more relaxed when I realise I don't have to worry .

I'm going to be mindful and post on my mindfulness thread .

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