Why evolution is bogus.

  • #1

    Evolution is a lie. Prove me wrong. Nobody has any real proof of it. Bla bla bla. Talk to me.

  • #2

    dont bother... he will just spout nonsence and It will be like argueing with a brick wall...

  • #3
    Xieff wrote:

    No. My arguments are very strong, and that is why you cannot answer my questions. It is too bad you(Ziryab) are so ignorant of proper thought process. 

    Are you familiar with the process of refereed publishing?

     

    The evidence and arguments of an essay are subjected to scrutiny by experts in the field before accepted for publication. 

     

     

    Can you name a single article ever published in a refereed journal espousing the ideas that you have been putting forth?

     

     

    I can. Exactly one. The journal later apologized, and noted that the essay had not gone through the usual referee process.

     

     

    That's the status of your views among scientists. I am truly sorry that understanding and respecting this world of scholarship--a world of rigorous debate and peer review--renders me "ignorant of proper thought process."

     

    Unless you can lay out a clear and reasonable alternative replete with objective tests, I will be forced to wallow in my ignorance.

  • #4

    Ok. :) Ziryab. How about this. Let us call it a draw for the sake of strong wills and for the sake of free thinking. I don't blame you for thinking how you do. Because you have been reading all this stuff for many years now, and tons of it. So I never expected you to just trust what I say to be true.

  • #5
    Xieff wrote:

    Ok. :) Ziryab. How about this. Let us call it a draw for the sake of strong wills and for the sake of free thinking. I don't blame you for thinking how you do. Because you have been reading all this stuff for many years now, and tons of it. So I never expected you to just trust what I say to be true.

    and you never offer a counter arguement... we just think you are stupid! we dont want to do this, but we dont want to argue with a brick wall that we have answer tens of time older...

  • #6

    OMGoodnes shut up. You are stupid. You want me to argue? Wow I understand. I don't understand the second thing you said.

  • #7

    I always offer a counter argument. You guys don't challenge it though. You leave it because it is your death pill. You will lost the debate instantly if you attempt to defend.

  • #8

    Lose*

  • #9

    It cannot be a draw when you have failed to make a single legal move.

  • #10
    Xieff wrote:

    Evolution is a lie. Prove me wrong. Nobody has any real proof of it. Bla bla bla. Talk to me.

    There is a massive amount of evidence for evolution, from fossils, to DNA, to experiments with bacteria, to the tree of life.  If you want the details, Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins is a good overview.

    Now back to you: exactly which bit of the theory of evolution by natural selection do you think does not work, and why.  I am looking for something a bit more specific than "Evolution is a lie" here.

  • #11
    Xieff wrote:

    Evolution is a lie. Prove me wrong. Nobody has any real proof of it. Bla bla bla. Talk to me.

    There's an easier way to do this.

    Prove You are right!

  • #12

    Religous based understanding of everything has already been proven incorrect. There is no argument.

  • #13

    Of course that would be easier for you! ;) I will get back to you guys tonight. I have to go to work. 

  • #14

    Anyone who responds to this fool is wasting his time. If I have EVER seen a troll post, this is it.

  • #15

    From Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District (2005):

    After a searching review of the record and applicable caselaw, we find that while ID arguments may be true, a proposition on which the Court takes no position, ID is not science. We find that ID fails on three different levels, any one of which is sufficient to preclude a determination that ID is science. They are: (1) ID violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking and permitting supernatural causation; (2) the argument of irreducible complexity, central to ID, employs the same flawed and illogical contrived dualism that doomed creation science in the 1980's; and (3) ID’s negative attacks on evolution have been refuted by the scientific community. As we will discuss in more detail below, it is additionally important to note that ID has failed to gain acceptance in the scientific community, it has not generated peer-reviewed publications, nor has it been the subject of testing and research. 

    Expert testimony reveals that since the scientific revolution of the 16th and 17th centuries, science has been limited to the search for natural causes to explain natural phenomena. (9:19-22 (Haught); 5:25-29 (Pennock); 1:62 (Miller)). 

    Read more at http://ncse.com/files/pub/legal/kitzmiller/highlights/2005-12-20_Kitzmiller_decision.pdf

    I realize, of course, that Xieff will observe that Judge John E. Jones III is "ignorant of proper thought process."

    However, until he lays out a clear and reasonable alternative characterized by objective tests, we will be forced to wallow in our own ignorance.

     

     
  • #16
    MSteen wrote:

    Anyone who responds to this fool is wasting his time. If I have EVER seen a troll post, this is it.

    Yeah, I know it is, because I am being nice about it. Good to know you think I am a troll. I am the anti-troll in case you didn't know.

  • #17

    Well, Xieff, Kitzmiller proves in a court of law that evolution is not bogus, and rather that ID is bogus (at least as science). We await your rebuttal.

  • #18

    Xieff wrote:

    Evolution is a lie. Prove me wrong. Nobody has any real proof of it. Bla bla bla. Talk to me.

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    First, sit your monkey ass down.

    You need to read scientific works and get out of the house more.

    Second, STOP making (SWAGs) Scientic Wild Ass Gusses

    Third, LISTEN to the proofs that have been found by scientists doing DNA research for over 50 years.

  • #19

    Be careful here, folks. I just noticed that the OP turned 17 on Sept. 18, so his scientific credentials are likely to be formidable. It will take ironclad arguments and impeccable references and documentation to argue against the opinions formed by a lifetime of sophisticated thought.

  • #20

    It is not us who have to prove evolution right, it you who has to prove it false... that is just the way it has to be because the best way to prove somthing is true is to not be able to prove it false...

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