Conditional moves in daily games are essentially cheating, but easily fixable

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ccbaumga wrote:

@DiogenesDue you mistake me.

I am not trying to "break what's already there" because I "don't want to invent anything new".

I think it is clear from this thread that different people are trying to get different things out of daily mode.

@Sebu13 said "Folks, daily games are not supposed to be about visualization, but analysis."

Guy if you want to practice analysis, there are other things for that.

Because half of the people want to use these tools in daily games for "analysis" and "learning, not competition", I think the best solution would be to have two different modes of daily games. One that allows these other tools, whose purpose is for analysis and learning. And one that does not allow these other tools, has rules like classical, but with a daily time control.

I propose that we call the first mode "Nonrated" and the second mode "Rated".

Oh wait that already exists.

If you're trying to use analysis helper tools, don't care about winning, and primarily are playing for learning purposes, then play unrated. Leave the Rated for the non-cheaters.

Your premise doesn't work, again.

"If you want to practice analysis, there's other things for that"

I like freestyle chess. I think that should be the normal mode here and all "old style" chess should unrated. I hereby claim that 50% of people think exactly like I do, but they are being silent for some reason so I will speak for them. If you want to play rated games the old way, there's other ways to do that. You don't need to play chess on Chess.com.

See how this argument sounds self-centered and myopic?

Please, keep right on posting that players playing Daily Chess the way it is designed are cheating. The mods will find you eventually...

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Agree

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ccbaumga wrote: Literally half the people in this thread. You think "I don't play the game for that reason so nobody should." You're a childlike r*****. You have no awareness of anything going on around you.

I didn't see your reply at first because you typed it in the box that quoted what I am saying. So you made it look like you simply made a blank reply quoting my comment which itself seemed to be arguing with itself and calling itself bad names. I can only hope you can understand what I'm saying right now, as it's clear you're having all kinds of trouble navigating the world, making sense of it, and communicating about it.

So here's what I've managed to learn from your comment, despite my supposed childlike lack of awareness: 
1. All that is happening in this thread is that you are arguing with many people and nobody is agreeing with you. I asked you where your alleged half is, you say they're literally in this thread making half the comments. But that is not true at all, so you're clearly delusional. 
2. You're projecting, hard. "I don't play the game for that reason so nobody should" is exactly what you're saying, not me. What I'm saying is, the vast majority of people are more than fine with it how it is, so it's unrealistic for you (and all the invisible people here who allegedly agree with you) to expect things to change when most people don't want it to change. 
3. You're obviously one of many (probably white) baby boomer senior citizens who is way out of touch with the real world but demands society bend to their whims until they die because they're used to getting things their way. You used a slur for a neurodivergent person as an insult when that hasn't been socially acceptable in many years. You don't care because you don't have to, you got yours before the bottom fell out and who cares about the next generations and their whiny struggles. It's all about you! 
4. You think anything you say at this point means anything at all to anyone. It doesn't. Your whole effort here is futile and a waste of your quickly dwindling cognitive faculties. Nobody agreed with you to start with, and apparently you couldn't convince your way out of a wet paper bag, let alone change anyone's mind about something this dumb by calling names and yelling blatant lies and fabrications and making a tempest in a teapot, apparently purely for the attention, or maybe just for something engaging to do? Why don't you just go play some chess instead?

I really want to believe you are just a troll who is only doing all this to get some kind of pathetic kicks, and that you don't actually believe anything you're saying, because it's way less depressing than thinking anyone could be as clueless and delusional or as much of a waste of consciousness as you seem to be. Talk about having no awareness of anything going on around you, I mean got dam son!

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DiogenesDue wrote:

Your premise doesn't work, again.

"If you want to practice analysis, there's other things for that"

I like freestyle chess. I think that should be the normal mode here and all "old style" chess should unrated. I hereby claim that 50% of people think exactly like I do, but they are being silent for some reason so I will speak for them. If you want to play rated games the old way, there's other ways to do that. You don't need to play chess on Chess.com.

See how this argument sounds self-centered and myopic?

Please, keep right on posting that players playing Daily Chess the way it is designed are cheating. The mods will find you eventually...

"If you want to practice analysis, there's other things for that"

AGAIN, you misunderstand me. I'm saying that daily unrated games ARE the place for that, right here in chess.com.

I'm saying that both our ways of playing daily games are valid. But incompatible with each other. So there should be a place for both of us to play our style of daily games.

I don't know how I can make that any more clear for you.

"The mods will find you eventually..."

This is the type of person you want to be?? Really?

This is the type of person I'm arguing against? There's an old saying, "Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

I rest my case.

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ccbaumga wrote:

"If you want to practice analysis, there's other things for that"

AGAIN, you misunderstand me. I'm saying that daily unrated games ARE the place for that, right here in chess.com.

I'm saying that both our ways of playing daily games are valid. But incompatible with each other. So there should be a place for both of us to play our style of daily games.

I don't know how I can make that any more clear for you.

"The mods will find you eventually..."

This is the type of person you want to be?? Really?

This is the type of person I'm arguing against? There's an old saying, "Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

I rest my case.

Your false premise assumes that players of daily chess don't care about rated games and are purely looking for analysis...this is obviously not the case. Go parade around and wave your pom-poms, and start a movement to get a new classical variant that allows for longer times between moves. Quit trying to be "that person" and attempt to ruin something working as designed for selfish reasons.

As for the the quote, it just shows why you won't do anything positive towards your goal. You're a whiner, not a person that gets anything done. You have no case to rest. None. Look at the downvotes on the OP, then get it through your head that your 50% fantasy is pure imagination.

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Did this argument seriously last for over 2 years?

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Supergirlloveschess wrote:

Did this argument seriously last for over 2 years?

That happens sometimes when people bump threads with no posts for 2 weeks.

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Supergirlloveschess wrote:

Did this argument seriously last for over 2 years?

This lasted as long as it did because ccbaumqa is just like the right side of the aisle. He won't accept anything that he doesn't agree with. He just repeats himself until he hears what he wants to hear rather than hearing the truth.

His argument is just as stupid as, if not even dumber than, the repeated argument that Stalemate should be a win for the player with legal moves.

Correspondence Chess has rules

Over the Board Chess has rules

Internet Chess has rules

Monopoly has rules

Scrabble has rules

If you don't like the rules, play something else. Maybe Tic Tac Toe is more in line with his level of thought. Constantly pressing why Correspondence Chess should forbid conditional moves like a broken record, when the real truth is that he's not good at conditional move logic, would be like arguing that the Q should be taken out of all scrabble sets because you aren't good at making words with a Q in it and you don't know the words that have a Q and no U.