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  • #1

    Greetings Chess.com staff and members
    This is the first time I write in the forums after many years as a member of the website
    So far I had no complains happy.png
    Now there's something that bothers me

    Recently I've been playing a lot of daily matches, mostly Tournements games
    The system is great, very competative and fun
    But I noticed that in my Android application there's an Analyze option (don't know about Apple devices)
    In the beggining I used it alot. I mean, for every move, and I liked it
    I even won against my friend who's rating is 200+ than me!
    When I talked with him he told me that he thinks this is kind of cheating
    I thought about it and it seems that he's right
    You don't have that privilage in real game. Moreover, when I played live (I mean live in REAL LIFE) I wanted to move the pieces just "to see what happens" and I felt it ruined my thinking ahead.
    So I stopped using that function
    My chess improved. 
    But!
    Now i'm on few tournaments. It feels a little uncomfortable to know that probably many players use the analyze option, while i'm left behine with my disadvantage

    What do you think?
    Maybe there should be an option to create tournaments which, once you entered, you won't be able to access the analyze button? Or even better, remove the option completely from the app???

    NOTE:
    I understand that one can just take a real-life chess board, copy the game, and start analyze it by himself at home
    My feelings is that if someone has enough time and motivation to do it, that's something else and legitimate, only because he contributes his own time for this, and not just pressing buttons


    I hope I won't get anyone upset.
    That is just how I feel

    Wish you a great sportsmanship in your games!
    Erez

  • #2

    Daily Chess is the same thing as Correspondence Chess and in correspondence chess, using an analysis board is allowed and not at all cheating. You can also use opening books, game databases, endgame books, videos, pretty much any static resource. You can't use engines, other players, or endgame tablebases.

     

    https://support.chess.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1444879-fair-play-on-chess-com-what-you-need-to-know

     

    Now, you don't have to use allowed resources and there are many people that don't, either due to not knowing what is allowed or for similar reasons to your thought process.

     

    I believe there may also be some clubs where they hold events and play games among members where they treat Daily games as if they were Live ones and allow no outside resources. Maybe looking into one of those would be of benefit to you.

  • #3

    Hi Martin, thanks for the reply!
    I understand what you're saying, in fact I am a member of a club (circle of trust OTB) which we treat those games the way you described, my problem is with tournaments.

    My suggestion is an add-on for tournaments (like No-Vacation)
    which the tournament creator can check or un-check, that won't allow the players to access the analyzer while in the tourney games

  • #4

    Having the technical limit, as you mention, wouldn't prevent someone from doing it anyway and doesn't stop it at all on the website, where it is easy to open an analysis board.

     

    Just creating tourneys with that in the description would work too. Not going to say the site might not implement something like that but I find it unlikely.

  • #5

    Is it not allowed to use engines in Daily Chess? Can it be proven if someone does it anyway? Actually I do it myself, especially in difficult endgames. I find it very instructive and I would recommend it to everybody. It's no use to put up rules that cannot be maintained.

  • #6
    helenachristinamaria wrote:

    Is it not allowed to use engines in Daily Chess? Can it be proven if someone does it anyway? Actually I do it myself, especially in difficult endgames. I find it very instructive and I would recommend it to everybody. It's no use to put up rules that cannot be maintained.

    1. You admitted to cheating.

    2. Engines are not the best at endgames.

    3. Do you understand the reason for the engine moves?

    IB4TL

  • #7
    helenachristinamaria wrote:

    Is it not allowed to use engines in Daily Chess? Can it be proven if someone does it anyway? Actually I do it myself, especially in difficult endgames. I find it very instructive and I would recommend it to everybody. It's no use to put up rules that cannot be maintained.


    Well, of course it is not allowed. 
    It can be proven, you can read it here
    https://support.chess.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1444879-fair-play-on-chess-com-what-you-need-to-know

    Daily chess should be a human-vs-human game and not human-vs-machine or machine-vs-machine game
    It feels bad to know that people use engines during games, and worse than that, don't even understand what's wrong with that.... this is frustrating

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