Vacation Assistance for Hurricane Florence?

SmyslovFan

Hi, 

 

With several million people, and many chess.com accounts about to be affected by Hurricane Florence, will chess.com give extra free vacation time to those affected?

 

I'm in Colorado, so I won't be affected directly, but I hope the site will protect the players in this very small way.

ephemeron-17

Seconded. I'm not affected either, but this seems fair.

LookingAround

I hadn't thought of that, but I think it's a great idea.

SmyslovFan

Thanks, @LookingAround and @ephemeron-17

I hope this thread is at least seen by the powers that be.

Dietmar

It is commendable thought but where do you draw the line? Kerala, India was hammered by monstrous flooding very recently. I am sure there were affected members. Many members from countries with spottier internet access will regularly encounter outages.

If you face a member from this area, just turn off the "Win on time" button until normalcy has been restored. Then you should be able to continue the game when your opponent is back online.

SmyslovFan

Who needs to draw a line? If there's a major disaster in an area, whether it's Kerala or North Carolina, the chess.com members of that area would benefit from emergency vacation assistance. 

valematt

While it's a great concept, it would be too time consuming for the staff of chess.com to be giving chess accounts free vacation time based on the alleged location of the user and what areas are affected by a natural disaster. I would like to see some sort of way for people affected by a natural disaster to be able to request free vacation time.

Dietmar
SmyslovFan wrote:

Who needs to draw a line? If there's a major disaster in an area, whether it's Kerala or North Carolina, the chess.com members of that area would benefit from emergency vacation assistance. 

I understand but it puts chess.com in an impossible spot as it would have to apply assistance in a fair manner. Which disaster warrants action? For how long? If chess.com hands out two weeks of extra vacation if wouldn't have done the folks in Puerto Rico any good when some were without power for half a year. I think just from the community sense it is a better way to extend to your opponent the courtesy of not claiming a win by timeout. Then you can adapt to individual circumstances without the need for big umbrella action. Plus, you may make a friend in the process.

Dietmar
valematt wrote:

 I would like to see some sort of way for people affected by a natural disaster to be able to request free vacation time.

 

That's kind of tough if you are without power. wink.png

Postafi

Excellent idea by @SmyslovFan!

This is what Forums are for. Areas affected will need at least a year of extra "Vacation" time, considering what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans.

I nominate @SmyslovFan to be the first Hero of Chess.com:

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https://www.chess.com/settings/notifications

Farm_Hand
Postafi wrote:

Excellent idea by @SmyslovFan!

This is what Forums are for. Areas affected will need at least a year of extra "Vacation" time, considering what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans.

I nominate @SmyslovFan to be the first Hero of Chess.com:

 

https://www.chess.com/settings/notifications

Forget about superman, here's super-duper man

https://www.chess.com/member/superduperman

 

But yeah, OP is good, +1 and all that.

Melman62

 I am a relatively new member in North Carolina, where power outages of days or weeks are expected beginning this weekend, and I am in the middle of my first tournament.  I've looked at the tournament information, but I do not see a vacation option.  I'm not sure how to tell if this is a "no vacation" tournament.   Other than notifying my opponents that I may go offline, any suggestions?  

Thanks.  

Postafi

Regrettably, you have to go to https://www.chess.com/tournaments and scroll down until you find your tournament to check if it has this icon:

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Probably done on purpose by chess.com to troll members dissatisfied with so-called "Vacation".

Melman62

Thanks.  I'm probably doing something wrong, but I can't get to a screen which shows the tournament legend.  When I go to my tournament, it takes me straight to the pairings crosstable for my section, with no legend.  It does list the basic information for the tournament, and I don't see "no vacation" or anything like that.   If I click on settings under one of my current games, the vacation option appears, but I don't know what would happen if I clicked it.  

Postafi
Melman62 wrote:

Thanks.  I'm probably doing something wrong, but I can't get to a screen which shows the tournament legend.  When I go to my tournament, it takes me straight to the pairings crosstable for my section, with no legend.  It does list the basic information for the tournament, and I don't see "no vacation" or anything like that.   If I click on settings under one of my current games, the vacation option appears, but I don't know what would happen if I clicked it.  

Stop blaming yourself. If an interface is messed up, it is not the user's, but the developer's fault. Should have seen how easy it was to find things on v2.

Fredrik32724

Not everyone in an area affected by a disaster is cut off from Chess.com.  If the cell towers are still functional, then people with a mobile app still can keep playing.  Even without power, if your internet is still working and you have a generator, then you still have access.

I actually spent more time playing online games after Hurricane Irma hit last year.  We didn't have power or cable, but we had a generator, and I used my phone's hot spot to access the internet.  There wasn't anything else to do. It wasn't as fast as a cable modem, but it worked for me.  Other people may evacuate to hotels with power and WiFi.

One of my biggest problems with storms and their aftermath is boredom.  Access to Chess.com (and other online games) addresses that problem very easily.

Yes, some people won't have access, but a lot of others will.  Giving blanket vacation time for everyone in the area seems excessive and unworkable.  On the other hand, if your opponent is from a stricken area and is about to get timed out of the game, give 'em some slack if you can.  (Can tournament organizers extend player times?  That would be useful, too.)  That's a good reason to actually talk (chat) to your opponent.  Find out where they live.  And if you hear something bad on the news, ask them about it.

Human decency isn't a bad thing.

Fredrik32724
Postafi wrote:

Areas affected will need at least a year of extra "Vacation" time, considering what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans.

I'm not going to get into what the residents of New Orleans did for that year.  That's way off topic.

However, there are two sides in play, the person who is affected by the disaster, and the person playing the person affected by the disaster.  (And if it's a tournament, everyone else in the tournament.)

If you lose access to Chess.com for a lengthy period of time, you will time out of whatever game you're playing, and your rating will suffer due to those "lost" games.  On the other hand, if you get vacation time while the infrastructure is down, then everyone else in the tournament is frozen into the current round until the infrastructure is back in service and the person affected by the outage completes their game.  Just imagine every tournament that has a player from New Orleans be delayed by a year.

The least amount of damage done to everyone involved is to not give free vacation time to those affected by disasters.  HOWEVER, it seems conceivable that a mechanism can be placed in service by which a player can request that their rating not be affected by the games that were timed out due to a disaster.  Let the winner get the increased points, but the loser not lose points.  I'm sure that the Powers That Be can figure out some way to keep the system from being gamed.

(Me, I don't plan to sign up for no vacation tournaments.  I visit my children on a regular basis, and sometimes the internet where they are is flaky compared to my home.  I'd rather not lose every game when I'm off to visit my kids.  Additionally, I do take a "real" vacation every now and then.  Internet on cruise ships when they're at sea is very expensive, and when they're in harbor, it depends on the local cell service.)

ChessSupremius101
valematt wrote:

While it's a great concept, it would be too time consuming for the staff of chess.com to be giving chess accounts free vacation time based on the alleged location of the user and what areas are affected by a natural disaster. I would like to see some sort of way for people affected by a natural disaster to be able to request free vacation time.

Agreed.  And frankly it seems that people suffering the effects of natural disasters like Hurricane Florence have bigger things to worry about, and it's unfair for other players to wait for months while victims eventually find their way back to chess.com, seen as that's a pretty low priority issue in the lives of natural disaster victims.

ChessSupremius101
Fredrik32724 wrote:
Postafi wrote:

Areas affected will need at least a year of extra "Vacation" time, considering what Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans.

I'm not going to get into what the residents of New Orleans did for that year.  That's way off topic.

However, there are two sides in play, the person who is affected by the disaster, and the person playing the person affected by the disaster.  (And if it's a tournament, everyone else in the tournament.)

If you lose access to Chess.com for a lengthy period of time, you will time out of whatever game you're playing, and your rating will suffer due to those "lost" games.  On the other hand, if you get vacation time while the infrastructure is down, then everyone else in the tournament is frozen into the current round until the infrastructure is back in service and the person affected by the outage completes their game.  Just imagine every tournament that has a player from New Orleans be delayed by a year.

The least amount of damage done to everyone involved is to not give free vacation time to those affected by disasters.  HOWEVER, it seems conceivable that a mechanism can be placed in service by which a player can request that their rating not be affected by the games that were timed out due to a disaster.  Let the winner get the increased points, but the loser not lose points.  I'm sure that the Powers That Be can figure out some way to keep the system from being gamed.

(Me, I don't plan to sign up for no vacation tournaments.  I visit my children on a regular basis, and sometimes the internet where they are is flaky compared to my home.  I'd rather not lose every game when I'm off to visit my kids.  Additionally, I do take a "real" vacation every now and then.  Internet on cruise ships when they're at sea is very expensive, and when they're in harbor, it depends on the local cell service.)

Excellent points as well.

SmyslovFan

I'm disappointed not to have heard from staff on this topic, even if it were to state that it's a daft idea and there's no way to implement it. 

Personally, I believe it is probably possible to help out the victims in some way, either by vacation assistance or protecting victims' ratings or some other mechanism.

 

I'm sure that many of the victims won't even think about chess at this time, but the chess.com staff can.