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CarlMI

Has anybody noticed that the vacation policy is contradictory?  If you use vacation with a lost position the staff will adjudicate.  If its already been determined to be a lost position what is to adjudicate?  Its lost (by whatever undisclosed criteria are being used).  So exactly when and by whom was this determination made done?  The policy only applies to "lost" positions (not lost by the rules of chess, mind you) which designation must be applied before the new vacation policy was invoked.  So who is really adjudicating?

 

I think it is past time for a real binding explanation by the staff.  I note this policy was implemented after I paid my money and I was never notified.  My credit card company shows greater courtesy.

artfizz
CarlMI wrote:

... I think it is past time for a real binding explanation by the staff.  I note this policy was implemented after I paid my money and I was never notified.  My credit card company shows greater courtesy.


 


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PrawnEatsPrawn
bsrasmus wrote:
Schachgeek wrote:
CarlMI wrote:
bsrasmus wrote:
artfizz wrote:
artfizz wrote: A game that is completely and hopelessly lost = the point at which someone ought to resign.

bsrasmus wrote: I would say "could" rather than "ought to".   But that sounds reasonable.


And since there's almost universal consensus on the appropriate point at which to resign, the issue is resolved.


It doesn't really matter if there is a consensus, though, since the members don't arbitrate.  The arbitrators (the staff) decide when the position is completely and hopelessly lost.  In order to obey the rules, each of us must use our best judgment in deciding whether or not we are trying to use vacation time to drag out a game that is hopelessly lost .  A small dose of common sense should do the trick.


ie the staff rewrites the rules of chess to suit a vocal few who cannot abide the current rules.


well, when the vocal minority has a good idea to improve the site, why not?

but in other cases when the vocal minority wants to change the rules of chess, my answer (if I were the site owner) would be heck no!


There is no such thing as vacation time in the rules of chess.  I suppose you do not support the change in rules that allows for vacation time.


There's been vacation rules in correspondence chess since before I was a little lad.

rooperi
PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:

There's been vacation rules in correspondence chess since before I was a little lad.


Where certain elite individuals don't get penalised if they dont move for 90 days, while lesser mortals might forfeit?

PrawnEatsPrawn

"We do not play correspondence chess.  Correspondence chess is played via mail.  We play normal online chess with a very long time allowed between moves."

 

Oh really?  I wasn't aware of the distinction, thank you for clearing up The Mystery of the Non-Existent Post Cards, just before I called in Sherlock Holmes. CC is closer to online chess than OTB that was my point. You saying that there's no rules for vacation in chess was a red herring.

PrawnEatsPrawn
bsrasmus wrote:

No, it's not a red herring.  Online chess is obviously not correspondence chess.  It's a new medium with new rules.  If you don't like that you don't have to play it.


I like it! you can't talk me out of that! but you also don't make the rules, wind your neck in.

artfizz
brasmus wrote:

"We do not play correspondence chess.  Correspondence chess is played via mail.  We play normal online chess with a very long time allowed between moves."

 

PrawnEatsPrawn wrote:

Oh really?  I wasn't aware of the distinction, thank you for clearing up The Mystery of the Non-Existent Post Cards, just before I called in Sherlock Holmes. CC is closer to online chess than OTB that was my point. You saying that there's no rules for vacation in chess was a red herring.


Erik's take - FWIW.

TheOldReb

What new rule concerning vacations has been made ? Sorry, I dozed off.... happens at my age .

PrawnEatsPrawn

Many of us simply don't recognise "vacation abuse" as anything other than a subject for discussion. If my opponent takes a week/month/year for a move (or indeed many moves), why should I care? I have patience and in the meantime I play other games. I don't understand why people get so petty about the move they are waiting for next... probably used to life in which everything is "just so". Life's not like that for most of us. Chill.

rooperi

I don't have an issue with vacation (well, I do, but not the issues discussed here).

But this topic is about Vacation Protection, (see, it's right up there in the title?)  That, for me, is an abomination. If you have two players, one premium and one not, and both suffer a similar crisis, and can't make their next move, one loses, and gets that ugly timeout stat, and the other survives to play on tomorrow.

Now that's NOT a level playing field....

TheOldReb
bsrasmus wrote:
Reb wrote:

What new rule concerning vacations has been made ? Sorry, I dozed off.... happens at my age .


It's not really "new".  Though the rule is made within the last year, I believe.  The rule is that you are not permitted to use vacation time to intentionally drag out a completely and hopelessly lost position.


 Seems like a good/logical rule to me. There are people complaining about this rule ?

TheGrobe
bsrasmus wrote: So if the playing field isn't level, it's stacked against the premium member only -- and only those premium members that don't want to play fairly.

I agree, and I fully endorse the removal of this restriction from non-premium members.

artfizz

There are a number of points within chess.com's Terms & Conditions where it says that chess.com may penalize members in certain circumstances. In practice, they are quite tolerant and tend to hold back from levying those penalties except in cases of the most blatant and repeated infractions.

Some members are keener than others on a zero tolerance policy.

TheGrobe

I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance policies.

artfizz
TheGrobe wrote: I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance policies.

TheGrobe has never wrote anything smarter than that.

TheOldReb

Tolerance is vastly overrated . Surprised

artfizz
Reb wrote: Tolerance is vastly overrated .

Barely tolerating is barely tolerable.

CarlMI
bsrasmus wrote:

No, it's not a red herring.  Online chess is obviously not correspondence chess.  It's a new medium with new rules.  If you don't like that you don't have to play it.


The ICCF, recognized by FIDE, has been running online chess, server and email for sometime and is a far better authority for online chess than you or this site.  Now if Chess.com wants to play something other than recognized chess, fine.  Just say so.

blackfirestorm
Geez man just shut up and play chess whether that is live chess online chess correspondence chess or otb
blackfirestorm
Chess for me is 32 black and white chess pieces on a board with 64 squares lol does it really need all this?