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12/14/2012 - Jung - Szabados, 1952


  • 5 months ago · Quote · #241

    0beliks

    This is the best puzzle I've ever seen. So tricky and deep, a lot to learn from it.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #242

    cailleach

    stephen_33 wrote:

    If you play it through Assessor, it looks like a win for White but I wonder if anyone has run this through an engine?

    If you look at the continuation given in #229 (...), it looks as if the final placing of the bishop on g5 is a mistake - e5 seems better(?) After Be5, I can only find wins for White but g5 is problematic.

    I haven't run it through an engine, but White is very clearly winning. Black has no threats left and cannot keep the white king from advancing, pushing the h-pawn is easily deflected by White.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #243

    shengyi

    Fun puzzle.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #244

    henny45

    that is kinda hardUndecided

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #245

    Big_Daddy_10

    stephen_33 wrote:

    I see they're making us all wait for today's (Saturday) puzzle!  Hope it's a good one.

     

    Assessor 

    White may now not be winning at this point but has now recovered the situation and also has a more than even chance to continue and win.


    If you play it through Assessor, it looks like a win for White but I wonder if anyone has run this through an engine?

    If you look at the continuation given in #229 by cailleach, it looks as if the final placing of the bishop on g5 is a mistake - e5 seems better(?) After Be5, I can only find wins for White but g5 is problematic.

    See post #151 and #209 as I gave the original account of the game and then offered 2 puzzles one with the original ending position and the other with the B on e5 that you also thought of.  What I don't understand is how do you think that B on g5 is a mistake?

    Black has no more threats and can only move his K to f5 or Pawn to h4. Neither of these moves advances Blacks position as there is never a threat of Black promoting either the g or h pawn.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #246

    stephen_33

    Big_Daddy_10 wrote:
    stephen_33 wrote:

    If you look at the continuation given in #229 by cailleach, it looks as if the final placing of the bishop on g5 is a mistake - e5 seems better(?) After Be5, I can only find wins for White but g5 is problematic.

    See post #151 and #209 as I gave the original account of the game and then offered 2 puzzles one with the original ending position and the other with the B on e5 that you also thought of.  What I don't understand is how do you think that B on g5 is a mistake?

    Black has no more threats and can only move his K to f5 or Pawn to h4. Neither of these moves advances Blacks position as there is never a threat of Black promoting either the g or h pawn.

    Because this thread had gone 'cold', I didn't bother to keep my original analysis & can't remember exactly what I was thinking but I seem to have got stuck in a 'thinking knot' on this one & didn't see the best moves!

    Here's a rough reproduction of what (I think) I was thinking..



    It's much clearer to me now & obviously a win for White whatever Black plays.

    The more I look at that, the more I think I must have been having a bad day!

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #247

    baglabhakt

    Tongue Outvery good

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #248

    henny45

    Smile

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #249

    wontonjohn

    a


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