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MVlc
thunder_tiger123 wrote:

@MonkeyH

1 f3 is not a reversed damiano, because he gets one extra tempo, so 1 extra move to defend e4.

1 e4 e5 2 f3 Nf6 3 Nc3

Nxe4 doesn't work because of Nxe4. white is ok, but he gave black really easy equality. also, it's pretty hard to castle if black manages to get a bishop onto the g1-a7 diagonal.

i do not get why play f3 at first

if you do not like the common 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 opening play the king's gambit... f3 is just a waste of time, of a move, of tempo which does not give white any advantage. 

And it does look like the black opening mentioned above which is the worst answer for black. however your ideas about 1.f3 are more or less lame and make no sense. you will never improve by playing moves like that. i also believe that 1.e4 is the best start for a novice player since it teaches him hot to play open games. 1.d4 most timed leads to closed games which require a little bit of experience and hence i would not recommmend it

thunder_tiger123
MVlc wrote:
thunder_tiger123 wrote:

@MonkeyH

1 f3 is not a reversed damiano, because he gets one extra tempo, so 1 extra move to defend e4.

1 e4 e5 2 f3 Nf6 3 Nc3

Nxe4 doesn't work because of Nxe4. white is ok, but he gave black really easy equality. also, it's pretty hard to castle if black manages to get a bishop onto the g1-a7 diagonal.

i do not get why play f3 at first

if you do not like the common 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 opening play the king's gambit... f3 is just a waste of time, of a move, of tempo which does not give white any advantage. 

And it does look like the black opening mentioned above which is the worst answer for black. however your ideas about 1.f3 are more or less lame and make no sense. you will never improve by playing moves like that. i also believe that 1.e4 is the best start for a novice player since it teaches him hot to play open games. 1.d4 most timed leads to closed games which require a little bit of experience and hence i would not recommmend it

read the whole post. don't call me lame when I was trying to advocate 1 e4. if you actually bothered to read the whole thread you would realize that a member called Friendly-User is the one who is making this nonsense. but some people are just too lazy to read. and please dont' call me a novice - my rating may be 1300, but that's only based on 2 games.

yongzf
thunder_tiger123 wrote:

@MonkeyH

1 f3 is not a reversed damiano, because he gets one extra tempo, so 1 extra move to defend e4.

1 e4 e5 2 f3 Nf6 3 Nc3

Nxe4 doesn't work because of Nxe4. white is ok, but he gave black really easy equality. also, it's pretty hard to castle if black manages to get a bishop onto the g1-a7 diagonal.

one 'extra' move to defend e4? I still don't get the difference between f3 first or e4 first.

thunder_tiger123
yongzf wrote:
thunder_tiger123 wrote:

@MonkeyH

1 f3 is not a reversed damiano, because he gets one extra tempo, so 1 extra move to defend e4.

1 e4 e5 2 f3 Nf6 3 Nc3

Nxe4 doesn't work because of Nxe4. white is ok, but he gave black really easy equality. also, it's pretty hard to castle if black manages to get a bishop onto the g1-a7 diagonal.

one 'extra' move to defend e4? I still don't get the difference between f3 first or e4 first.

duh since white goes first, and black goes second, so white gets an extra move at the start. so he plays Nc3 defending e4.

in the true damiano, e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6, only one piece (pawn) is defending e5. but if we make it a reversed damiano

e4 e5 f3 Nf6, it's white's turn to move, unlike in the real damiano, it's white's turn to move. so white plays e4 e5 f3 Nf6 Nc3, defending e4 so Nxe4 does not work due to Nxe4

MonkeyH

it's not the only strong move against  damiano defence, the strong moves against damiano defence are strong here as well: d5 and Bc5,  also because knight f3  isn't played  the black queen can check  on Qh4, increasing the weaknesses on the  king side

Irontiger

Well, 1.f3 is not so good either. Its main point is to free the f2 square for the knight via h3, but it indicates White's intentions too soon !

Much better to open with 1.Nh3, leaving Black wonder whether the knight will hop to f4, to surprise him later on with f2.

yongzf
thunder_tiger123 wrote:
yongzf wrote:
thunder_tiger123 wrote:

@MonkeyH

1 f3 is not a reversed damiano, because he gets one extra tempo, so 1 extra move to defend e4.

1 e4 e5 2 f3 Nf6 3 Nc3

Nxe4 doesn't work because of Nxe4. white is ok, but he gave black really easy equality. also, it's pretty hard to castle if black manages to get a bishop onto the g1-a7 diagonal.

one 'extra' move to defend e4? I still don't get the difference between f3 first or e4 first.

duh since white goes first, and black goes second, so white gets an extra move at the start. so he plays Nc3 defending e4.

in the true damiano, e4 e5 Nf3 Nf6, only one piece (pawn) is defending e5. but if we make it a reversed damiano

e4 e5 f3 Nf6, it's white's turn to move, unlike in the real damiano, it's white's turn to move. so white plays e4 e5 f3 Nf6 Nc3, defending e4 so Nxe4 does not work due to Nxe4

Okay I didn't know you were talking about Damiano, misunderstood.

thunder_tiger123
Irontiger wrote:

Well, 1.f3 is not so good either. Its main point is to free the f2 square for the knight via h3, but it indicates White's intentions too soon !

Much better to open with 1.Nh3, leaving Black wonder whether the knight will hop to f4, to surprise him later on with f2.

1. Nh3 d5 2. f2 Bxh3 and white has a really weakened kingside.

Irontiger
thunder_tiger123 wrote:
Irontiger wrote:

Well, 1.f3 is not so good either. Its main point is to free the f2 square for the knight via h3, but it indicates White's intentions too soon !

Much better to open with 1.Nh3, leaving Black wonder whether the knight will hop to f4, to surprise him later on with f2.

1. Nh3 d5 2. f2 Bxh3 and white has a really weakened kingside.

I would have thought by that now you would have figured this thread is not entirely serious...

thunder_tiger123
Irontiger wrote:
thunder_tiger123 wrote:
Irontiger wrote:

Well, 1.f3 is not so good either. Its main point is to free the f2 square for the knight via h3, but it indicates White's intentions too soon !

Much better to open with 1.Nh3, leaving Black wonder whether the knight will hop to f4, to surprise him later on with f2.

1. Nh3 d5 2. f2 Bxh3 and white has a really weakened kingside.

I would have thought by that now you would have figured this thread is not entirely serious...

yeah, but I thought you were being serious. anyway, I have a mate in 1 position, so the score is now

1-1

thunder_tiger123

the score is currently now at 1.5-1.5

(with me having a mate in 2 position in one of our games)

MVlc

Thunder tiger did i  call you lame? i called 1.f3 lame

maybe you do not read well

thunder_tiger123
MVlc wrote:
thunder_tiger123 wrote:

@MonkeyH

1 f3 is not a reversed damiano, because he gets one extra tempo, so 1 extra move to defend e4.

1 e4 e5 2 f3 Nf6 3 Nc3

Nxe4 doesn't work because of Nxe4. white is ok, but he gave black really easy equality. also, it's pretty hard to castle if black manages to get a bishop onto the g1-a7 diagonal.

i do not get why play f3 at first

if you do not like the common 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 opening play the king's gambit... f3 is just a waste of time, of a move, of tempo which does not give white any advantage. 

And it does look like the black opening mentioned above which is the worst answer for black. however your ideas about 1.f3 are more or less lame and make no sense. you will never improve by playing moves like that. i also believe that 1.e4 is the best start for a novice player since it teaches him hot to play open games. 1.d4 most timed leads to closed games which require a little bit of experience and hence i would not recommmend it

uh huh yeah you totally did not call my ideas lame.

thunder_tiger123

any ways let's just stop arguing, ok?

I'll post the games:

Game 1:

Game 2: 

Game 3:



 



thunder_tiger123

and this is one of our current games: 

please note that I do not want any type of advice since this is a simple mate problem. 



MonkeyH

Interesting games! For some reason I have the feeling on game 3 it looked you were playing a caro kahn structure for white :)

I'm currently trying bird's opening (1.f4)

thunder_tiger123
MonkeyH wrote:

Interesting games! For some reason I have the feeling on game 3 it looked you were playing a caro kahn structure for white :)

I'm currently trying bird's opening (1.f4)

FYI, I was black, and if you meant white, white was playing a yugoslav dragon attack, where he really messed up. btw, I gave up the exchange on purpose because I felt my bishop was stronger :)

the score will soon be 2.5-1.5 as I have conditional moved the mate in 2 :)

MonkeyH

I meant white :), so long term strategy the bishop idea or did you saw a combination following soon?

thunder_tiger123
MonkeyH wrote:

I meant white :), so long term strategy the bishop idea or did you saw a combination following soon?

it's a typical idea in the sicilian dragon to give up a rook for your dark squared bishop, because in most sicilian positions, it's semiclosed so the white rooks do not find to many open files. but it's different for black since his dsb is breathing fire down the long diagonal, where as white can't find any good spots for his rooks. so I decided it was better to keep the bishop. after when I saw that white was trying to open the position and he was succeeding, I saw that pin! perfect timing :P

then in the rook ending we basically traded off because I wanted a draw, since I had a mate in 2 in my other game, so all I need was a draw to gain the lead

Irontiger

Playing 1...a6 to refute 1.f3 (game 2)... My eyes ! My eyes are burning !