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burnha

Is there a good logical opening, that has limited theory that is a good respone to e4 thats not e5? is the caro cann good>

Boogalicious

The Caro-kann is a very solid defense, and is successfully used by GMs.

I've invited you to a group which explores some main lines of the Caro, if you're interested.

nikundnic
It's quite hard to find a first move without very much theory. The only opening i can suggest is the scandinavian with d5 and after the natural ed5: nf6. I played that in about 20 normal chess games and never had trouble in the opening. You wanted to know if the caro-kann is good. That opening has one decisive problem: it is very hard to get an equal game. In most cases you wont get big problems in the opening but if don't play perfect white is a little bit better due to his greater activity.
burnha

thaks guys

dpnorman

I played the Caro Kann for close to a year and I got frustrated with the Advanced Variation where white just pusheds all his pawns down the board and attacks on the kingside and there's not a whole lot you can do about it because you're always way behind in development. That's why I gave it up for 1...e5 2...Nc6. It's obviously okay, because it is still played by tons of IMs and GMs (Alexey Dreev comes to mind) but I always found those positions tough to play as black.

mrtampa2

Caro Kann c6 or French e6. Both have advantages and disadvantages. With the French you play a solid game, easier and faster to castle, solid set-up, but you have to know how to handle your temporarily stuck French bishop.

C6 Caro Kann doesn't contribute to the castling, bit slower to castle, usually little space disadvantage but a very solid structure, nice chances to counterattack

French is bit trickier, more complicated in general in my opnion, Caro-Kann is bit more open and simple. Try both and see which works better for you. I suggest to stick to certain openings at the beginning and learn from mistakes, get better, don't give up on a particular opening because of a lost game, but always learn from it and get better at them.

FrogCDE

I've been reading Daniel Lowinger's book on the ...Qd8 Scandinavian. He calls it "simple and strong", and makes a good case for it.

Phantom_of_the_Opera

e6

jposthuma
dpnorman wrote:

I played the Caro Kann for close to a year and I got frustrated with the Advanced Variation where white just pusheds all his pawns down the board and attacks on the kingside and there's not a whole lot you can do about it because you're always way behind in development. That's why I gave it up for 1...e5 2...Nc6. It's obviously okay, because it is still played by tons of IMs and GMs (Alexey Dreev comes to mind) but I always found those positions tough to play as black.

Have you ever considered this line against the advanced?:

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5!!

Some say this is a little shaky, but in my opinion it actually gives black great chances for quick development and equality. It's similar to the french, but I like it more because you get to develop your light squared bishop actively. If you haven't already completely changed your mind about the caro, I suggest you try this out. Laughing

camberfoil

I don't care much for the Caro-Kann, I usually play the Sicilian, which I respond to as white with either the Najdorf or Alapin (or sometimes a littlw Wing Gambit or Smith-Morra Gambit...)

cornbeefhashvili

a6

dpnorman

@jposthuma I have never for the life of me understood that line. I would appreciate if you could explain to me what you like about it. Black often has to play ...e6 and block in his bishop and in the meantime he's down a pawn and still has no space. If I want that sort of position I'd rather play a French- at least then I don't sac a pawn.

burnha

i think I will stick with caro kann but I hate exchange varation for both openings