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I believe 5...Qc7 is the best move for black in that position. In human databases black does pretty good with that move.
I on the other hand like playing 5...g6 which I consider to be the second best move in that position.
White has a few reasons on why they play the move 6.h4 here.
As you can see if black plays a dumb move here. White will than play 7.h5 and the light square bishop has no were to go. It is literally trapped. Which is usually why black is forced to respond to 6.h4 with the move 6...h6. Giving the bishop an escape square on h7.
The reason they try and gain space on the king side is because they usually attack on the king side. This is partly do to the knight maneuvers which they played Nc3 - Nxe4 - Ng3. In a sense they are attacking where alot of there pieces will be. Which makes perfect sense. Attack on the area of the board you have the most pieces and most space. So by playing h4 they gain space and they will have more pieces on that side for attacks.
Now if we look at the move 6.f4 here notice the difference.
One thing we can notice is white is threating the move 7.f5 trapping the bishop. Which black has to respond to do.
However, Do you see the difference between 6.f4 (7.f5) and 6.h4 (7.h5)?
When white plays 6.h4 with the threat of 7.h5. Black really only has 1 safing bishop response to stop that. Which is (6...h6)
However, with the move 6.f4 with the threat of 7.f5. Black has 2 responses to safe the bishop. Do you see them?
6...h6 is one move. The other move is 6...e6.
6...e6 is how black should respond to 6...f4.
Which it might seem like a very dumb or subtle difference. However, Black is playing the Caro-Kann. They try to crush people because of subtle differences.
When you really think about it. 6.h4 forces black to play the move 6...h6 which doesn't really help black a whole lot. It doesn't really active any of blacks pieces it is just an escaping square.
When you play 6.f4 on the other hand. The response 6...e6 stops the f5 threat and at the same time develops a piece. Blacks dark square bishop is now active.
A small victory for black I would say.
Here's a recent carokann game I had last night, I was black against 2300 in a nonrated long game.
This is just from memory, can't remember the opening perfectly. After move 16 though it's 100% accurate.
Hi I hope it's ok to post this here. I'm looking to take up the caro-kann classical BF5 variation. I have the starting out book. I prefer solid, quite, positional lines could you recommend me a book to follow on from the starting out book please? The move by move would have been perfect but unfortunately it only covers the modern ND7 as the mainline variation and apparently the grandmaster repurtouie lars schandorff covers sharp tactical lines.
What book would you recommend?
Chess Mentor only goes as far as h4.
Both f5 and h5 are terrible moves in those positions. After h5 the pawn only becomes a target Black really doesn't need, and after f5 one wonders why you spent time getting the bishop out of the pawn chain in the first place, let alone weakened everything in the centre.
What do you suggest, then?
Against f4, a simple set up with e6, Bd6, Ne7 and Nb8-d7-f6 is plenty to make it look silly. After h4, there is nothing wrong with the main lines with h6. h5 is just a bad move.
Do not listen to mashanator. He has no idea what he is talking about.
The move 8.h5 is mainline theory in the Classical variation.
Mashinator is correct, black shouldnt play h5 or f5. The set up he recommends against f4 is also recommended by the GM repertoire book.
I can understand how you misinterpreted what I said, but if you took more than a few seconds to read what I said, you would realise I meant ...h5 for Black after h4, as Rogue_King pointed out.
Quick draw against the computer just now. I'm thinking about making the Caro-Kann my go-to defence against e4 but I haven't strayed outside of the book/main lines yet. I've recently become frustrated with the French and I'm beginning to find that black has a much easier time equalizing in the Caro-Kann but it's also much harder to go on the offensive. If anyone has any pet lines outside of the main line theory that they would like to share, I would love to try them out.
Caro-Kann is "alive and kicking" and scores well for black:
You can study two games with the CK Advance-Short Variation (3...Bf5 4.Nf3) and one draw with the CK Classical Variation, Lobron System (10...e6 11. Bd2 Ngf6 12.O-O-O Be7)
You did not show a diagram.
You did not say 6...h5.
You did not say ...h5.
You said h5.
Which is a move white plays.
If you ment playing 6...h5 by black in this position is bad than you are correct.
Black should play 6...h6 in response to whites 6.h4.
However my misinterpretation came from your misrepresentation.
Which means if I am at fault you are at fault as well.
I have played this line for about half a year. If I can misinterpret what you said after playing it for that long.
What do you think a beginner will do? Just saying.
In this position a good line for Black is:
You need to watch out for this variation--from a 15 minute per game game
Nice blog! I think we can all learn from that first game.
Thanks for sharing your blog, Walter. That first Nisipeanu game gave me the idea for g5 in the advance variation. Here's my win against the computer just now.
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