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Ponziani: Impractical in non-computer Correspondence Chess?

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SmyslovFan

Ponz, you'd be surprised at how many chess players can use google to look up stuff. 

Benedictine

Yes, looking forward to the chess.com forum thread on "1...e5, Impractial in non-computer Correspondence Chess?" should be enlightening.

 

 

ponz111
SmyslovFan wrote:

Ponz, you'd be surprised at how many chess players can use google to look up stuff. 

You may be correct. When I tried I could not find very much at all relevant. However I am not so good at looking up chess variations.

But let me ask you this:  When a player looks up "Fraser Defense to the Ponziani" will he get the most recent analysis?

Will they get all the variations I have not even published yet? 

TheOldReb

There is no longer any such thing as non-computer correspondence chess , don't kid yourselves . 

kantifields

Ponz would you like to guess who wrote this, "1. e4e52. Nf3Nc63. c3Nf64. d3equal game. "

ponz111
kantifields wrote:

Ponz would you like to guess who wrote this, "1. e4e52. Nf3Nc63. c3Nf64. d3equal game. "

In a book or where?  It is an equal game in theory but in practical chances Black is better.

SilentKnighte5

Using my super secret high-quality database, here are the stats for White's options after 2...Nc6.

  1. Be2 68.8% (8 games)
  2. Bb5 56.9%
  3. d4 55.6%
  4. Bc4 55.5%
  5. Nc3 50.8%
  6. c3 46.6% (58 games)
Database only consists of players of elo 2450+ in classical time controls in games that lasted at least 26 moves since 1981.  Obviously you miss out on some lopsided wins (and agreed draws) this way, but it's a good look at what an opening will get you OTB against reasonable preparation. 
SilentKnighte5
kco wrote:

and is Walking Dead is your taste ?

I like The Walking Dead, but it's not in the same universe as shows like Breaking Bad and the Wire.  Not even as good as Justified or The Shield.

ponz111

I loved Breaking Bad and watched it from start to finish.

ipcress12

...it's a good look at what an opening will get you OTB against reasonable preparation.

SilentKnighte5: But how many class players reasonably prepare for the Ponz?

Here's the video and commentary which convinced me to play the Ponz:

The Ponziani is the main aggressive/surprise opening I used as White when I climbed from 1600 USCF to eventually 2130 over about three years. My coach GM Alex Wojtkiewicz (R.I.P.) suggested it as an easy way to trip up class players who likely don't have time to study this somewhat obscure opening and figure they'll just play it over the board if they encounter it. Unfortunately for them, the "natural" moves are the wrong ones and they can easily fall into some traps. This opening is also good for online blitz and bullet games for the same reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOZLHeKWhTQ

I love all the Wojo stories I've read!

ipcress12

Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, Justified, and The Wire are all wonderful long-arc video series but they have very different ambitions, therefore tough to compare.

I'd rate them Breaking, Justified, Walking, and Wire, but I don't see a way to settle the argument.

Pastuszek
ipcress12 wrote:

...it's a good look at what an opening will get you OTB against reasonable preparation.

SilentKnighte5: But how many class players reasonably prepare for the Ponz?

Here's the video and commentary which convinced me to play the Ponz:

The Ponziani is the main aggressive/surprise opening I used as White when I climbed from 1600 USCF to eventually 2130 over about three years. My coach GM Alex Wojtkiewicz (R.I.P.) suggested it as an easy way to trip up class players who likely don't have time to study this somewhat obscure opening and figure they'll just play it over the board if they encounter it. Unfortunately for them, the "natural" moves are the wrong ones and they can easily fall into some traps. This opening is also good for online blitz and bullet games for the same reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOZLHeKWhTQ

I love all the Wojo stories I've read!

Where can I find them?

SilentKnighte5
ipcress12 wrote:

 

SilentKnighte5: But how many class players reasonably prepare for the Ponz?

I don't know, that wasn't the reason for posting the statistics.  Saying that you can fall into some traps if you're unprepared for a rare side opening is no different for the Ponziani vs the Vienna game or the Max Lange attack. If someone loses 1 game out of 200 because they weren't prepared for the Ponziani, that's small in the grand scheme of things.   Learn a solid, easy to remember line and just play.  

SmyslovFan

That's the problem with making a sideline into a repertoire choice: your main rivals will come prepared.

kantifields
SmyslovFan wrote:

That's the problem with making a sideline into a repertoire choice: your main rivals will come prepared.

You have rivals??  I need to play more chess :(

kantifields
ipcress12 wrote:

...it's a good look at what an opening will get you OTB against reasonable preparation.

SilentKnighte5: But how many class players reasonably prepare for the Ponz?

Here's the video and commentary which convinced me to play the Ponz:

The Ponziani is the main aggressive/surprise opening I used as White when I climbed from 1600 USCF to eventually 2130 over about three years. My coach GM Alex Wojtkiewicz (R.I.P.) suggested it as an easy way to trip up class players who likely don't have time to study this somewhat obscure opening and figure they'll just play it over the board if they encounter it. Unfortunately for them, the "natural" moves are the wrong ones and they can easily fall into some traps. This opening is also good for online blitz and bullet games for the same reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOZLHeKWhTQ

I love all the Wojo stories I've read!

I watched that video.  Nearly all of the analysis is incorrect, as are the comments.  For example, "3... Nf6 is a mistake"

SilentKnighte5

All of my rivals are dead. 

SilentKnighte5
kantifields wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

That's the problem with making a sideline into a repertoire choice: your main rivals will come prepared.

You have rivals??  I need to play more chess :(

If you play at chess clubs regularly and you're known to play the Ponziani only,  people are going to come prepared for you if they're into preparation at all.

For instance, at one of my clubs, there were 2 or 3 players who played the Budapest Defense.  Guess what I did?  I booked up on it a bit.  I didn't spend as much time on it as I did the Slav or Nimzo, but enough that I didn't fall for any silly traps and knew how to get out of the opening.

kantifields

Unfortunately I do nt play at chess clubs at all.  I only play in tournaments, and I have not been to one of those in a few years.

kantifields

Another Fraser win.  I had black.  I think i got a little lucky.