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VULPES_VULPES

Is it a good opening for black, and is there any good lines for this opening?

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DrSpudnik

It mainly seems like a way to transpose to something else instead of a separate opening system:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 c5

TitanCG

3.d5 is the main move. Black gets a Benoni w/ no Bg7 or queenside majority but it's safe and I don't think there are any traps. I think it really depends on whether you like it or not. I remember seeing some stuff on chesspub but that stuff is over my head. 

Other moves should be fine for Black.

DrSpudnik

Or White could just play 3. Nf3 and we're back to the Sicilian.

VULPES_VULPES

The whole point of me playing this is to avoid the sicilian.

TitanCG

Well you probably don't want to play this then... Why not just play 2...d5?

DrSpudnik

Because that's just the French. Which brings us around to the pointlessness of the whole idea. Play either the Sicilian or the French--unless someone is trying to avoid the Smith Morra or some such.

Gullk

what about this?

franco-czech benoni?

VULPES_VULPES

I don't like French or Sicilian, but I do like semi-open and closed positions.

I've done well with this opening so far in blitz and standard (although I still lost, but that's not due to the opening). I've actually blundered more in Ruy Lopez and other openings whose names I do not know.

@Gullk that could work, actually. For some reason, I've never thought of playing 3. ... e5, even though it gives me a position I relatively like.

@everyone else

I have no idea what the Benoni is, so make references to it doesn't really help me.

ThrillerFan

Well, if you don't like the Sicilian or French, why are you playing 1...e6? If you hate the French and Sicilian, why not play 1...e5, or the Caro-Kann, or Pirc or Modern? Seems stupid to play 1...e6 if you are specifically trying to avoid the Sicilian and French.

TitanCG

It's a weird thing to play with. 

3.Nf3 leads to a sicilian. I'm not sure how you can avoid this. On the bright side you do get to avoid all the anti-sicilian stuff and actually get open sicilians. Most players simply don't have that option.  

3.c3 is a French I think. I think you can get away with playing this without theory as long as you don't fall for Bxh7 tricks and have some idea of what you want to do with the pawn structure. White has many gambits but you can ignore them all lol. 

And 3.d5 is a kind of Benoni but the one in your games will have a different pawn structure than the normal one: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?eco=A61&node=215178 But if you're ok with this then there should be no problems.

3.d5 e5 4.f4 is probably good for White because he can use the e5 square quicker than Black can. You'd probably see a lot of it even if your opponents didn't know that. 3...exd5 is the usual move.

VULPES_VULPES
ThrillerFan wrote:

Well, if you don't like the Sicilian or French, why are you playing 1...e6? If you hate the French and Sicilian, why not play 1...e5, or the Caro-Kann, or Pirc or Modern? Seems stupid to play 1...e6 if you are specifically trying to avoid the Sicilian and French.

I don't really know any other openings other than those. Can you suggest me some?

For example, I have no idea what the Pirc or Modern is.

The Caro-kann I've tried, but didn't know how to respond to 3. e5, so I pretty much gave up on it. Silly, I know, but I just couldn't build a breathable position after that move.

VULPES_VULPES
TitanCG wrote:

It's a weird thing to play with. 

3.Nf3 leads to a sicilian. I'm not sure how you can avoid this. On the bright side you do get to avoid all the anti-sicilian stuff and actually get open sicilians. Most players simply don't have that option.  

3.c3 is a French I think. I think you can get away with playing this without theory as long as you don't fall for Bxh7 tricks and have some idea of what you want to do with the pawn structure. White has many gambits but you can ignore them all lol. 

And 3.d5 is a kind of Benoni but the one in your games will have a different pawn structure than the normal one: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?eco=A61&node=215178 But if you're ok with this then there should be no problems.

3.d5 e5 4.f4 is probably good for White because he can use the e5 square quicker than Black can. You'd probably see a lot of it even if your opponents didn't know that. 3...exd5 is the usual move.

I would prefer to have a spacey queenside, so I chose this opening thinking that that will grant my wish. I don't know any other opening that gets me such a spacey queenside as one would in the Queen's Gambit Declined, which is the idea opening to play against. 

I freak out when I see 1. e4, since the only thing I don't do horribly in the opening in is the Italian Game/Guico Piano. 

VULPES_VULPES

Basically what I feel about various 1. e4 openings as black:

Ruy Lopez: I don't really like this opening because my bishops go to really weird places that I don't really find ideal in the middlegame. I often puts my bishops on b2 and b3, forming a kind of double fianchetto. But that means that less pieces are guarding the centre, but it's still playable. My main issue is surviving past that point when opponent goes out of theory.

Italian Game: I'm quite comfortable with this opening, but the eventual d4 often trips me up, especially when my c6 knight is still pinned. After that issue is resolved, however, I do fine.

Queen Gambit: My favourite to play against as black, simply because white can't get too aggressive in the opening, which gives me time to build up my forces and gives me peace of mind when playing through the opening. Plus, it also gives me that ideal spacious queenside that I like so much.

Sicilian Defense: I would much prefer to play the Sicilian as white. As black, I feel restricted and hard to breathe, not to mention the bad reputation one particular variation of the opening gets at top level.

French Defense: Impossible to play as white (for me, especially the advance variation), but even worse as black. I don't particularly like closed positions, and this opening is notorious for forming exactly those kinds of positions.

ashir_rao

e4 c5 d4 d6 exc5 Bxc5! .....

Black has an OK hand in the center, and an advantage in developing pieces.

Scarlet_Evans
ashir_rao wrote:

e4 c5 d4 d6 exc5 Bxc5! .....

Black has an OK hand in the center, and an advantage in developing pieces.

I don't know French yet, so when my opponent plays 2.d4, I play 2...c5 exactly because of what you wrote! happy.png

But I still sometimes get into a trouble, when my opponent doesn't capture, then plays first 5-10 moves precisely. I need to learn some theory about how to continue from third move onward.

Any recommendations? happy.png

 

ShaggyChess13

Gullk wrote:

what about this?

franco-czech benoni?

 

DrSpudnik

Why doesn't White play 5. d6 and shove the Bishop back to f8?